VMWare Player is the coolest thing I have ever used

[Forboding Angel]

Let me tell you right now, if you have Virtual PC or VirtualBox installed, uninstall that pile of shit. This is why:



iCame iBukkets

[Forboding Angel]

Moar iBukkets

[dansan]

uhm... I don't get it... what is the cool thing you want to show on these pictures?

... maybe how you don't have a VM-window in which the linux-apps in X11 are, but that the linux-apps have a "native" window in win7? If that's it, then look at "seamless mode" in virtual box - it does the same.

[==Troy==]

Its just Forb with his regular fanboigasm of something everyone has known already, with exception of selected few.

Move on, nothing to see here.

[Forboding Angel]

Vbox Seamless isn't very nice. At least, it isn't this nice. Also, the reason I came across VMWare Player in the first place as that a long time ago I noticed an article from the how-to-geek about using xp mode without having 7 ultimate. Well I never needed to do it, until a few days ago.

A customer of mine uses an old ass version of Ventura Desktop publisher and some other shit that you can't really find anymore written in the 90's. He had just gotten a shiny quad core with 8 gb ram and a 1.5 tb hd. He wanted to basically combine all of his 3 previous shitty ass computers into the one nice one. A deal breaker was that that specific version of ventura had to run on it. He had 7 home premium.

Enter vmware player. First time I had used it, I was immediately impressed. I have had no end of issues with VirtualBox. It seems that vbox likes to run like shit on windows.

Anyway, mission accomplished, and by running Mint in unity, I can actually test the evo stuff on linux without having to dual boot or have WUBI nuke the 7 bootloader again (Nuke as in quite literally utterly destroyed. I had to rebuild it from scratch). Moreover, linux specific progs (few tho they may be that don't have a good windows counterpart) I can run and check out.

Basically, I am no longer cut off from my *nix userbase.

@troy, I know VMWare is popular among linux users, but Windows users may be unaware of it.

[dansan]

I have had no end of issues with VirtualBox. It seems that vbox likes to run like shit on windows.

Oh - I didn't know that... If you come to a situation where you're unhappy with VMWP, try VBox again. Recent versions have developed very nicely.

Prob. not interesting for you, but still informative: Various tests/reviews indicate, that on a Linux host VMW and VBox are on par feature and performance wise.

VBox is like the only software that Oracle acquired recently and doesn't kill it immediately, but actually develops.

[Forboding Angel]

Yar, as an example, a vm of windows 7 refused to run in seamless mode in vbox. My ubuntu vbox decided to nuke itself, and a redo of win7 vbox fared no better and liked to randomly and totally freeze. Also, vbox has serious issues with saved machine states. You cannot trust it at all.

[dansan]

Crazy... this must be the only (once)commercial software that runs better under Linux than in Windows...

[Jools]

I know VMWare is popular among linux users, but Windows users may be unaware of it.

We are not. This program has existed for a long time, everybody who has tried to customise their windows installation will have used wmware to test it.

[Neddie]

Constituting a very small minority of Windows users. Anyway...

[SpliFF]

Yar, as an example, a vm of windows 7 refused to run in seamless mode in vbox. My ubuntu vbox decided to nuke itself, and a redo of win7 vbox fared no better and liked to randomly and totally freeze. Also, vbox has serious issues with saved machine states. You cannot trust it at all.

I don't suppose it's occurred to you that Windows 7 might be the problem here? It has a hard enough time running on actual hardware. You also complain about linux toasting your bootloader without apparently realising Windows will do the same and more.

Microsoft don't want you running virtual machines and/or linux. It was even a clause in their EULA at one point that you weren't allow to install windows in a VM (i think they changed it though).

I've been using VirtualBox (seamless, on linux) for a long time now without ANY of the problems you describe. I play Directx7/8 games and use IE8 for web testing in a WinXP VM. Performance is decent and snapshots have not corrupted. It makes me wonder how many of these issues were mistakes on your part (like moving vbox files around, installing wrong drivers, configuration issues, whatever).

Taking the latest versions of both products the only important gap between them is 3D support and VirtualBox has done a lot of recent work in this area.

Ultimately though you are comparing a free product with a paid product without discussing the issue of value for money. Your personal experiences don't provide enough context to start insisting other users throw out a perfectly usable free piece of software and start paying/pirating software that does the same thing.

[Forboding Angel]

VMWare Player is free. What are you smoking?

Moreover, i am well aware that windows nukes grub, complain to M$, not me.

WUBI IS SPECIFICALLY SUPPOSED TO NOT INTERFERE WITH THE WINDOWS BOOTLOADER, BUT THE LATEST VERSION NUKES THE WIN7 BOOTLOADER
(In all caps to get your attention)

I like how you assume that I am and idiot and not familiar with VM software. Might as well stop now, I have used VM's for various purposes ever since I can remember.

Ultimately though you are comparing a free product with a paid product without discussing the issue of value for money. Your personal experiences don't provide enough context to start insisting other users throw out a perfectly usable free piece of software and start paying/pirating software that does the same thing.

Shows how smart and ultimately biased your statement was to begin with. It does, however, help if you know wtf you're talking about.

You can safely assume that if I make a post like this, I am addressing windows users. Moreover, if the problems with vbox are an issue with win7, that's kinda relevant to my interests since my main os is win7 64bit.

VBox runs like shit on win7 64 bit, and unreliable as hell. When something as simple as saving the machine state on a brand new vm of windows 7, xp or ubuntu causes the entire vm to get corrupted, that's a pretty big fucking problem.

Thank you for taking a decent discussion and shitting all over it with disinformation and FUD. How very microsoft-ish of you.

[smoth]

I know VMWare is popular among linux users, but Windows users may be unaware of it.

We are not. This program has existed for a long time, everybody who has tried to customise their windows installation will have used wmware to test it.

I didn't use it for that but did use it for work to setup the client's enviroment on my machine... about 3 years ago.

[dansan]

It's really normal for complex software to act differently on different platforms, and even on the same platform in different installations and situations...

I almost never had or have any issue with Linux in vbox, but look at this from today: Phoronix: The VirtualBox Kernel Driver Is Tainted Crap - works perfectly for me, for others it's crap :-)

[aegis]

vmware fusion/workstation are even cooler than player :)

[Jools]

Moreover, i am well aware that windows nukes grub, complain to M$, not me.

I really really hate grub (In purple to get your attention). If it weren't for grub, I'd probably be running a lot more of Linux than what I do.

Grub is ugly, tedious to edit, and manages to make a simple task quite complicated. It's probably the stupidest solution to a problem I have ever seen.