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OMG. I've heard that it's really terrible over there right now and that they were having trouble stopping people from burning down buildings. Anyone who lives in London should be careful.
Do you live there AF? If so, don't inhale the black smoke from burning buildings, it will choke you, make your eyes burn, and could cause you to faint.
Do you live there AF? If so, don't inhale the black smoke from burning buildings, it will choke you, make your eyes burn, and could cause you to faint.
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It's not any sort of fricking political statement..
it is people acting like they really are.
in nature, you want something you take it.
we have rules and law to try and keep people from ruining shit. The fact that these rioters raid places like this with the slightest provocation and just take what they bloody well please is indicative of the moral bankruptcy of this generation. these kids all need a fucking good spanking but we have a global society that frowns upon disciplining children properly. Whatever I agree with many of the statements. These are a bunch of opportunistic little shits. Sure there is some outrage in the public but I 100% believe that these are just people being real assholes.
it is people acting like they really are.
in nature, you want something you take it.
we have rules and law to try and keep people from ruining shit. The fact that these rioters raid places like this with the slightest provocation and just take what they bloody well please is indicative of the moral bankruptcy of this generation. these kids all need a fucking good spanking but we have a global society that frowns upon disciplining children properly. Whatever I agree with many of the statements. These are a bunch of opportunistic little shits. Sure there is some outrage in the public but I 100% believe that these are just people being real assholes.
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Stuff like deprivation etc is not why they do it, its how they got into the state they are.
They dont care about politics, they want stuff, or to have fun and cause damage, to say they can do as they like, that they're big they're hard. Or just get out of paying for the new carpet.
If they were political, they wouldn't be destroying their own livelihood.
They dont care about politics, they want stuff, or to have fun and cause damage, to say they can do as they like, that they're big they're hard. Or just get out of paying for the new carpet.
If they were political, they wouldn't be destroying their own livelihood.
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Im pretty sure you guys will not be happy with this article, but its an interesting read:
(keep in mind that it is not saying rioting is good and that the writer doesn't actually riot)
Why I riot?
I riot because I feel powerless every day of my life. IÔÇÖm not in control of what happens to me; other people are always deciding about my life, telling me whatÔÇÖs right for me ÔÇô teachers, cops, social workers, pastors, politicians, media commentators. When I riot, I feel powerful, I feel in control. It may only last a few hours, but for those brief moments when I smash something or burn something, I feel like a free person in control of my own destiny. I feel like somebody. When I riot, I feel like a real man.
(keep in mind that it is not saying rioting is good and that the writer doesn't actually riot)
Why I riot?
I riot because I feel powerless every day of my life. IÔÇÖm not in control of what happens to me; other people are always deciding about my life, telling me whatÔÇÖs right for me ÔÇô teachers, cops, social workers, pastors, politicians, media commentators. When I riot, I feel powerful, I feel in control. It may only last a few hours, but for those brief moments when I smash something or burn something, I feel like a free person in control of my own destiny. I feel like somebody. When I riot, I feel like a real man.
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Just some douchebag trying to make rioting something poetic and deeply human. It isn't deeply human or poetic. It is animalistic behavior. To be human is to control yourself and abide by the societal norms which took 1000s of years to establish(and we are still improving them) which keep us from acting like the animals these thugs allow themselves to be.
This sort of pretentious twat would say he could understand the frustration of black people and their struggles with racism. He would write about how he understands the lack of acceptance Mexican Americans feel. He would write that he understands the plight of the working class. oh his article does show something human. The dishonest fake empathy that so many display.
This sort of pretentious twat would say he could understand the frustration of black people and their struggles with racism. He would write about how he understands the lack of acceptance Mexican Americans feel. He would write that he understands the plight of the working class. oh his article does show something human. The dishonest fake empathy that so many display.
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Just note that the level of writing of the guy is way higher than a average teenager, but anyways...........
About that article, so acordingly to him, the justification of destroying other peoples lives is cause his own sucks. Being a man is wrecking someones life, thats great.
its like that video "IM getting my taxes back", well shes ruining other peoples lives too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrrqEMlhLq4
Well this kind of recalls the riots in France, burning cars e.t.c., it doesnt take a large portion of the population to do this, it isnt a overspread riot.
i dont wanna be mean, and the thread is going prety calm and with a chill conversation.
But what hapened to the forum rules, i mean ive restrained from making a few threads already, what is alowed or not alowed i really dont get it.
About that article, so acordingly to him, the justification of destroying other peoples lives is cause his own sucks. Being a man is wrecking someones life, thats great.
its like that video "IM getting my taxes back", well shes ruining other peoples lives too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrrqEMlhLq4
Well this kind of recalls the riots in France, burning cars e.t.c., it doesnt take a large portion of the population to do this, it isnt a overspread riot.
i dont wanna be mean, and the thread is going prety calm and with a chill conversation.
But what hapened to the forum rules, i mean ive restrained from making a few threads already, what is alowed or not alowed i really dont get it.
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The video you linked to has a neat comment:
Love the fact that no´╗┐ one touched the book shop!
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dont loot anyhting that is easily flameable, and can easily be identified as stolen goods...
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What they want books for, they don't need learnin' the world owes them a comfortable life!
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smoth do not confuse understanding with empathy. This piece is written by a professor who studies terrorism and international security.smoth wrote:Just some douchebag trying to make rioting something poetic and deeply human. It isn't deeply human or poetic. It is animalistic behavior. To be human is to control yourself and abide by the societal norms which took 1000s of years to establish(and we are still improving them) which keep us from acting like the animals these thugs allow themselves to be.
scifi I think it does not apologize the looting, it just tries to shed light on what can go on in the head of rioters (as murky feelings and non-verbalized thoughts, not university level prose, obviously). I think understanding the background of these things is very important, because it helps avoid similar things in the future. If I understand the motivation of a rioter or a looter, that does not absolve him of the crime he committed.
I think it is very well written and some parts of (esp the bits about a riot being a huge adrenalin high) I have felt myself as a bystander in riots.
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Id say such things are signs of a social disintegration that is happening in present or its the result of social hardships/bad social policy making of past that are now giving fruit.
you must ask yourself why do so many young people allow themsleves to act so immorally in swuch an almost organized way..
Who do you blame?parents for not teaching their kids behave and follow social norms?
Do you blame social policy for not allowing parants to be their for their kids and educate them and instead toiling at work for 12 hours a day?
do you blame the public education system of being unable to sustain proper behavior norms within it's gates?
Do you blame racial bias?
Who do you blame for these masses of people that seem to not care about what they are doing and about the consequences of their actions?
Maybe its just a by product of immigrants that were not properly integrated?
Hell, maybe it's just a natural result of the economic recession...
Obviously you dont hear any intelligent speculation from the media as to the real causes and the root of these riots.
all you hear is nonsensical talk about emotions..
The emotions are there but one has to go deeper and look at the broad picture to get an idea of the roots of this...
you must ask yourself why do so many young people allow themsleves to act so immorally in swuch an almost organized way..
Who do you blame?parents for not teaching their kids behave and follow social norms?
Do you blame social policy for not allowing parants to be their for their kids and educate them and instead toiling at work for 12 hours a day?
do you blame the public education system of being unable to sustain proper behavior norms within it's gates?
Do you blame racial bias?
Who do you blame for these masses of people that seem to not care about what they are doing and about the consequences of their actions?
Maybe its just a by product of immigrants that were not properly integrated?
Hell, maybe it's just a natural result of the economic recession...
Obviously you dont hear any intelligent speculation from the media as to the real causes and the root of these riots.
all you hear is nonsensical talk about emotions..
The emotions are there but one has to go deeper
and look at the broad picture to get an idea of the roots of this...Re: London Riots
sometimes I love you man. ha hahas to go deeper
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Brief article by Paul Murphy, Irish MEP
ÔÇ£But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard.ÔÇØ
Martin Luther King, March 14, 1968
Street interview with a Londoner (Video)
ÔÇ£But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard.ÔÇØ
Martin Luther King, March 14, 1968
Street interview with a Londoner (Video)
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FireStorm_
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The video you linked to has a neat comment:
I think this video made sense. (especially right after 1min 12sec)I guess life is worth living again now that they have thier Ipads and flatscreen tv's. Although i suppose they have grown up in a brianwashed consumerist society, so it's bound to happen. They've been taugh that material possessions are more important than things like´╗┐ culture, community and working your way to the top.
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A middle class girl parroting arguments from Sky News? 
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I always wondered where the difference between a looter and a buisnessman is... we shouldnt call this a riot, rather a capitalism festival, and those looters, well they should handle it like every other buisnessmeni caught stealing.
"I take the full responsibility for the looting that happened yesterday, i keep the looted goods, and demand a additional payments and pensions for the hardworkin job done, raising the livingstandardvalue by 1%. As said before taking the full responsibility, i step back from post as ceo-looter, to try my luck in another citypart next time."
If they did that with a proper suit on, they would get away with it.
"I take the full responsibility for the looting that happened yesterday, i keep the looted goods, and demand a additional payments and pensions for the hardworkin job done, raising the livingstandardvalue by 1%. As said before taking the full responsibility, i step back from post as ceo-looter, to try my luck in another citypart next time."
If they did that with a proper suit on, they would get away with it.
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BaNa-
It is a moral madness that has afflicted us. We have turned our backs to politics, and life as a society. Everything is now measured by what you can get out of it for yourself, and all rules and laws are only relative and can be bended to suit you as long as it gets you ahead in an evolutionary struggle.
Take out law and police enforcement, and loot trives.
In the passed there were events that united countrys, either it be wars, or political goals, there isnt that galvanization effect, we just live our daily lives with no purpose at all but to live day after day. When you alianate an entire society, from politics, like the european union, and the monetary union, just to give examples, the society just pulls away from the general politics of the given country.
This passes to the youth of a country as they see a grim future, and the kind of society we live in, a bastard and self-serving one, doesnt help either, schools in witch group behaviour trives, and later in the work world, after a couple generations things get worse.
Also, if we were real citizens we would go out in the streets too, organize rallys, make petitions, activly support a political party , sugest solutions, go in conferences, e.t.c...
It is a moral madness that has afflicted us. We have turned our backs to politics, and life as a society. Everything is now measured by what you can get out of it for yourself, and all rules and laws are only relative and can be bended to suit you as long as it gets you ahead in an evolutionary struggle.
Take out law and police enforcement, and loot trives.
In the passed there were events that united countrys, either it be wars, or political goals, there isnt that galvanization effect, we just live our daily lives with no purpose at all but to live day after day. When you alianate an entire society, from politics, like the european union, and the monetary union, just to give examples, the society just pulls away from the general politics of the given country.
This passes to the youth of a country as they see a grim future, and the kind of society we live in, a bastard and self-serving one, doesnt help either, schools in witch group behaviour trives, and later in the work world, after a couple generations things get worse.
Also, if we were real citizens we would go out in the streets too, organize rallys, make petitions, activly support a political party , sugest solutions, go in conferences, e.t.c...
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How do you know Sky News isn't parroting her? Some journalists might work like that.FLOZi wrote:A middle class girl parroting arguments from Sky News?
(I think they do)
But mainly:
I recognised unsupervised kids exploring how far they can go, being responsible for a lot of the trouble.
When I was in high school my government wanted to reform the education system and 20.000 students, of with I was one, went to the city where the parliament is seated to peacefully protest.
After a while people got bored. Food was thrown, small fights started. cars where flipped. the main gate of the parliament building was broken down and windows were thrown in with stones from the roads.
I was standing around with some classmates and thinking "What is going on?", when suddenly one of them says: "Lets flip a car too!"
Less eloquent than I try to be these days, I responded: "shut up!"
Then we left.
Riot Police was prepared and started arresting people as soon as it begun, and then it ended. I saw that later on the news.
point is:
I was in a riot. And I saw it as people committing vandalism and crime, people who wanna act though, who only dare it because they can hide in a group, who only dare because they can claim justification from the cause of the original protest. A lot of it is mischief getting out of hand because boundaries are shifted and tested. People suddenly notice they get away with stuff.
I think a lot of what is going in in London is like that. Kids acting though, peer pressure, mob behaviour, blah blah blah,
It doesn't look like a just revolution by suppressed people too me.
And I think if you are feel wronged there a countless different ways to express your problems apart from stealing stuff.
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it'll be even worse now that there's a riotPanda wrote:Do you live there AF? If so, don't inhale the black smoke from burning buildings, it will choke you, make your eyes burn, and could cause you to faint.
re: reactions to the violence... sure it's horrible to see all of the waste and violence; it's shocking to see because it evokes certain emotions and reactions; we aren't used to seeing such things and it shocks and scares us...
at the same time we must remember that our own advanced society could not exist in the way that it does without past civil disobedience.
to me it's important to look past the act of rioting itself and see WHY people would react in such a way. it's certainly a human trait to feel compassion and fraternity and love for others; i would argue that it's just as much human to feel fear and anger and rage towards someone and want to hurt them... both can be construed as reasons why we were able to battle our way out of the trees and jungles using leet rock and spear skills to conquer the entirety of this miserable planet in the first place!