Recapitulation 2009-2011

[Anarchid]

So i have just been thawed from cryosleep.

How much has changed in my absence?

Can Spring already do rigged models from quake or something? Unit-specific crosshairs? Any other cool new features?

How much an effort would it be to render a two-year-old mod workable again?

Who are our new overlords i should welcome?

[zwzsg]

Can Spring already do rigged models from quake or something?

No.

Unit-specific crosshairs?

What? That doesn't make any sense! It's a RTS man! Otherwise yes I think you can.

How much an effort would it be to render a two-year-old mod workable again?

• modinfo.tdf must be replaced by modinfo.lua (and the syntax is slightly different).
• You need a specific gadget for start unit to spawn.

[knorke]

How much an effort would it be to render a two-year-old mod workable again?

http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... 4&start=52
Other then that, only some minor things like different default values for some things etc.

Unit-specific crosshairs:
for fps mode? would require that fps mode works correctly in first place

aa->ba->ca->zerok

I'd say rejoining games after connection lose is one of the cooler new features.

[Anarchid]

for fps mode? would require that fps mode works correctly in first place

Is it that broken atm? How broken is it? I remember having PLANS for it before my long cold sleep.

[Neddie]

Not broken enough where it can't be improved.

[Anarchid]

Not broken enough where it can't be improved.

Does it crash the game? I remember that fps-firing from a heavy laser once crashed me in some 0.7 series. Well my side was losing anyway.

[knorke]

maybe you remember how it would not allow you to point the cursor at every spot? Like it would snap on or around some things. That is still there.
Also in current version, it does not allow you to shoot at enemies.
Not sure if that is already fixed for next version though.
And I think the UI stuff that gets drawn in fps mode (cursor, weapon text, top down view of unit) can not be disabled.

[Anarchid]

maybe you remember how it would not allow you to point the cursor at every spot?

Yes, now i remember! But didn't that have to do with the available firing arcs? I clearly remember spamming d-gun into the sky.

Also in current version, it does not allow you to shoot at enemies.

WHAT HAPPEN! Oh noes.

And I think the UI stuff that gets drawn in fps mode (cursor, weapon text, top down view of unit) can not be disabled.

I remember that i might have requested some call-in for this, and Lurker having told me that that would not be nice, rather bad instead.

I guess it never moved from the dead spot. Maybe this time? Our overlords seem to be different from a glance, even if there are so few new features.

[abma]

hm... http://springrts.com/wiki/Games + https://github.com/spring/spring/blob/m ... ngelog.txt ?

[Anarchid]

That's pretty conclusive, but lacks that human touch.

I'll sure read through the changelog, though.

[knorke]

But didn't that have to do with the available firing arcs? I clearly remember spamming d-gun into the sky.

You can still do that. What I mean is the cursor seems to "snap" to some grid or something when aiming, like a magnet. Hard to explain, it is not completly smooth, free aiming like in fps games.
Afaik there is no game that seriously wants to use fps mode so improving it is probally not a priority...
Despite that, in 2009 a 3rd person game was made:
http://springrts.com/wiki/Air_Raid

That's pretty conclusive, but lacks that human touch.

It is probally easier if you ask what you want to know instead of us listing everything
random things:
-sync errors are basically gone since some time.
-there are 3 "major" lobbies (tasclient, springlobby, zerok lobby) with map&mod downloaders.
-basically every new games has something unique. From the "alphabet soup" mods only ba, nota & xta remain.
Just look at http://springrts.com/wiki/Games of ourse or at the games/mapping/projects subforums.
-single player missions returned and can be played from zk lobby.
-return of planet wars (http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=25918)

[Anarchid]

The case is obviously that i want to reincarnate Metropolis Spring, so i'm looking for stuff that might be used for that.

New graphical features? Deformable units or something? All and any kind of stuff doable for first-person mode?

(by the way, on wrong aiming, i think this can be very much countered by the new Lua animation scripts - just manually rotate the weapon piece to camera angle, and feuer frei! correct if i'm wrong here)

Of the stuff not mentioned in the tracker:

Has our toolchain had any improvement? Are there some better modelling or mapping solutions, especially for those on Linux? I remember that mapping units was sort of a nightmare back in the old days, and the blender s3o plugin tended to destroy stuff at times.

[knorke]

The case is obviously that i want to reincarnate Metropolis Spring

searched for it, looks interessting.
I tried putting in a modinfo.lua and spawning units via /cheat /give but all non-buildings exploded on creation.
But that seems to be a problem with your game logic/me using wrong map because there was a message about the map being empty. ("Collateral: Map is uninhabited. My work is done here.")
Or it also wants startunits spawned. Just follow zwzsg's links from earlier on...

New graphical features?

Lua shaders (ie cartoon shader & depth of field), LUPS, (particle system in Lua), bumpmapped water,...

Deformable units or something?

Not vertix deform, but ie damage textures by shaders (or something like that)
Also units "breaking apart" by hide/show of pieces is very easy with unit scripts in Lua because they allow to use tables/arrays.

manually rotate the weapon piece to camera angle, and feuer frei!

might work, good luck

Has our toolchain had any improvement?

No idea about the model importing.
But not having to compile unit scripts with scriptor and being able to reload them ingame makes that part tons easier. Also various small tools like a CEG effects browser, hitbox editor etc. are imo very helpfull.

For maps there is stuff too, ie Springmapeditor (no more need for command line tools) and "Feature Placer" (edit map features ingame)

[pintle]

Does spring still crash if the unit dies while being fps controlled?

[Neddie]

Never did that to me.

[Forboding Angel]

Does spring still crash if the unit dies while being fps controlled?

No. That was a bug from the 6 series like 5 years ago. Pre- Tobi if that tells you anything.

[Cheesecan]

Though Spring will still crash on some setups in FPS mode.

Also now we have nice pathing that follows some algorithm that sounded good on paper but takes it up the rear in reality.