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Regret
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Re: He died?

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smoth wrote:you are exalting that idiot behind the zeitgeist bullshit. You a fan of Ron Hubbard as well?
There is no talking to ignorant people. You attempt to respond without reading yet again. Nowhere in the quote I posted does the author speak of zeitgeist movement or attempts to exalt Bin Laden. The only time he actually used the word zeitgeist was in it's literal sense, i.e. "the spirit of the times/age" and not the actual movement.

I'll abstain commenting on the mention of Ron Hubbard, you clearly have no idea about what the movement I mentioned stands for. Feel free to PM me about it if you can't be bothered to look for information.

People like you are the reason we cannot have civil discussions on this forum about sensitive topics, you fail to control yourself.
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bobthedinosaur
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http://www.economist.com/node/18648254
One of the better obituaries, because even villains are human.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... print.html
Bob Woodward, does the name sound familiar?
Most of the 'news' crap on the subject is purely speculation or circle jerk jingoism.

It sounds like 1 of 2 things:
A) the assault got fucked up either with adrenaline/vendetta or something went wrong inside.
or
B) It was a kill mission.
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PicassoCT
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Soembody has to synthesize new ideologies ;) Lots of cattle to be out there to be herded, so lets combine distanced psycho analysis with the detective ilusions of comunism (the evil worldcapital influenca everywheres) and completely no need to bring forward realistic suggestions (after all, you never aimed for power, like those primitive animalsubhumans you analyized), so what zeitgeist basically is, is a softsofa for ones conscience- its good to lie there and rant, but dont try to get up to improve shit, because hands on, things can go wrong. Conclusion to be always right, all youve got to do, never lay hands on anything. So my discussion point is, zeitgeist is lazyness in disguisse, because its foudingfathers never huged it.

Also, question, can you lead a civil discussion, if you intrude psychoanalysis into it? The assumption that every person you meet is insane, and you need to cure them, is heavily implied in nearly every sentence? So from my PicassoCTish expertview- why you all so insane, unable to lead a discussion with paradox-truths? Also, accept, that most trolls, have done more for self controll on the internet, than all moderation banhammers together. If someone behaves idiotic in public, proofing his points by referencing back to his own text (because i say so), (claim, reason, evidence- its that simple, bitches) shows to be unable to even let counter ideologic ideas live for a short time, to test them for falacy - marks you for the paTroll, and they carry you off to become TrollKing in 4Chan.

Means of Transportation: Rolls Troyce - Spirit of ExtraGlee

I always wonder, why people not reference to nybooks.com or other sites, with real big essays (wall of texts), were such truths value is weighted, judged, and the issue left open, for yourself to fit into your own moral Mobilee.
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Regret wrote:
smoth wrote:you are exalting that idiot behind the zeitgeist bullshit. You a fan of Ron Hubbard as well?
There is no talking to ignorant people.

The entire human race is ignorant. I would like to meet the one person who fails to be ignorant on a subject. I like your ignorance on ignorance. I am sure you meant to say no talking to "stupid people" or maybe "people who are ignorant of ..." but I will gleefully lol at you raging so hard that you failed to read one sentence...
ig┬Àno┬Àrant
adj \ˈig-n(ə-)rənt\
Definition of IGNORANT
1
a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>
2
: unaware, uninformed
ÔÇö ig┬Àno┬Àrant┬Àly adverb
ÔÇö ig┬Àno┬Àrant┬Àness noun
Regret wrote:
smoth wrote:you are exalting that idiot behind the zeitgeist bullshit. You a fan of Ron Hubbard as well?
You attempt to respond without reading yet again. Nowhere in the quote I posted does the author speak of zeitgeist movement or attempts to exalt Bin Laden.
Do ho.. you critisize my reading comprehension while failing at it yourself. let me color match the areas to make this easier for you.
Regret wrote:I'll abstain commenting on the mention of Ron Hubbard, you clearly have no idea about what the movement I mentioned stands for.
The bullshit over-idealized movement started based on his hack movie. yep, I don't understand how people can believe that shit would work.
Regret wrote:People like you are the reason we cannot have civil discussions on this forum about sensitive topics, you fail to control yourself.
As you make adhominem and fail to read sentences while accusing me of lack of intelligence using the wrong word for it.

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smoth wrote:
Regret wrote:I'll abstain commenting on the mention of Ron Hubbard, you clearly have no idea about what the movement I mentioned stands for.
The bullshit over-idealized movement started based on his hack movie. yep, I don't understand how people can believe that shit would work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zeitgeist_Movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist:_Addendum
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeitgeist:_The_Movie

ctrl+f "Hubbard". I am really disappointed by your actions.
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I consider a optimistic scenario if we dont wipe ourself out on the bootstrap-to-intelligence-road.

Zeitgeistmovement wiki-article lacks substance. Show me moar evidence (its some sience-thingy) show me proof of concepts, show me working small-scale examples. Things that do not work in small models, tend to not work either when scaled up. What concerncs me most is the lack of a scape-goat, when the whole zeitgeist becomes geisterzeit. Who is beeing send to the gulags when it doesent work?
The Ignorant? Non scientific? Jews? Gipsys? Everybody on this board?
Maybee they even manage a decent AI to manage the planet, guess it would develop a sense for irony and inprison the zeitgeist movement, for lack of astoud reasoning. For the lulz, GladOS does it for the lulz.

I for once welcome our new AI-Overlords.
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If there was a world-domination AI it would run on Windows. NSA would hack it through secret backdoor and we'd be back where we started.

I quite enjoyed the Zeitgeist movie. While I'm aware it makes some bold claims on little proof I find the overall concept quite believable.

When I was in school my history teacher told us straight out that modern war exists only to benefit the rich. In every war the rich profit from public funds being directed into industry while the poor suffer rationing and die on the battlefield.

I've never seen any evidence that claim isn't true so when people start beating war drums I like to look more closely at the drummer.

The Iraq war is a classic example. It's been revealed that about $20 billion in CIA budget was funneled to private companies for "rebuilding". However a closer analysis shows that much of this rebuilding involved shoddy projects, overpriced equipment, outright fraud and shooting at passing civilian cars for entertainment.

Still that $20 billion only scratches the surface. The amount spent by the US alone for Iraq/Afghanistan is $1.26 trillion (however since much of that money was borrowed from China the actual cost with interest is about $3 trillion).

$1.26 trillion is a fuckload of money even by multinational corporation standards. In fact it's enough money to build twelve million six hundred thousand houses (at $100,000 a house).
Baghdad Burning wrote:At one place she speaks of the US efforts on reconstruction. She gives the example of the New Diyala Bridge on the southeast end of Baghdad and says a company her cousin worked for had put up a figure of $300,000, including all expenses. Lets pretend my cousin is a dolt Lets pretend hes all wrong and the cost of rebuilding this bridge is four times the number they estimated  lets pretend it will actually cost $1,200,000 A week later the New Diyala Bridge contract was given to an American company. This particular company estimated the cost of rebuilding the bridge would be around  brace yourselves  $50,000,000.
That's your fucking "War on terror" right there.
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world domination AI is more powerful and intelligent then all humans combined (without them making use of an AI for combination of course, because that might be exactly it). it can not be hacked by any group of humans, that is the single best thing on the whole concept! no humans can fuck it up!
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This will be triumph, im making a note here, huge success...
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The zeitgeist movement...Give me a break...
Regret why are you dissapointed?
as if its shocking people are not versed in the world of either Scientology or the zeitgeist movements/Venus project or whatever bullshit name they wanna call themselves...its all retarded nonsense, no serious normal person should take seriously.
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yeah religion is some crazy shit. take out the life after death promises and invented nonsense like that and its not nearly SO ridiculous tho..

compared to rules people actually live by new ideas will ofc look crazy. as if we all live by the one true reasonable set of rules given to us by god and not some hodge-podge mess evolved from the crazy ideas of the past.

but don't worrry about reason, just compare him to some other nutjob, call him retarded, post some dumb pictures and pretend you won an argument :roll:
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momfreeek wrote:yeah religion is some crazy shit. take out the life after death promises and invented nonsense like that and its not nearly SO ridiculous tho..

compared to rules people actually live by new ideas will ofc look crazy. as if we all live by the one true reasonable set of rules given to us by god and not some hodge-podge mess evolved from the crazy ideas of the past.

but don't worrry about reason, just compare him to some other nutjob, call him retarded, post some dumb pictures and pretend you won an argument :roll:
Right on the spot.
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Wombat wrote:...then comes ayman al zawahiri.
olol i see future!
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