Grammatically incorrect and annoying topicÔÇ¢ [Mature Content]

[Gota]

Heh IMO one should be considered dumb if one says there was no clear right and wrong during WW2.
IMO Britain and the US together with the resistance movements through Europe were clearly right while Germany and Japan were clearly wrong.
You disgrace the people who fought for Europe's freedom with such obnoxious relativism.

What matters in this case is the greater cause.
People were fighting for freedom against fascist regimes.
In the spirit of your arguments one could say that unless the allied side killed only and only military targets that clearly aided the war effort they cannot be right or on justic's side.
It is a childish way of thinking and one that ignores human history and nature.

Let me remind you that even the most humane justice systems in the world are still based partially on revenge.

[smoth]

Bob dislikes Nazi apologists.

What he is saying with regards to thing like the nukes

[Gota]

This has nothing to do with nazi or Japanese apologetics.
It has to do with a defeatist, seemingly politically correct, outlook on history and life, one that hold perhaps some insight when it comes to politics and bringing several different sides together but is completely irrelevant when the time comes to analyze the past in preparation for future action, whatever it is.

[MidKnight]

I believe that we should take this disaster at face value and offer our greatest condolences and aid to the unfortunate people in Japan.

Arguing about politics does not help anybody, least of all the victims of this catastrophe.

[Noruas]

If the nuclear incidents can be avoided, in the long term, this disaster can be turned into a very positive long term recovery. While as harsh and depressing the whole situation is now, Japan is a very proud country, i am sure they will recover.

With that being said, i hope more aid comes soon.

[Gota]

Didn't they refuse a lot of aid offers?

[Hoi]

Japan attacked the harbor because america was blocking their ships and they almost ran out of oil. Japan declared war and killed some soldiers and marines (not trying to make this number sound small, and it is sad that these people died, but it isn't even close to the 250.000 of the nukes).

So, america retaliated and killed 250.000 civilians and destroyed a lot of houses. Sounds like the americans have a reason to be pissed off, no wait, they don't.

And I'm not saying all americans are like this, but there is a relatively large group (I estimate 15 to 30%) of total idiots who think like the people who wrote those comments. Every country has a group of idiots like that and if these people wouldn't vote then the world would be a better place with better leaders.

I agree with this guy in part. I am not sure I would say that the nukes were a direct retaliation to pearl harbor. I don't believe it to be that simple.

I think that they forced japan into attacking, to make the people think that there should be war.

After that they knew that facing japan and the nazi's would be too much, so they decided to cripple japan so that they could focus on europe.

[momfreeek]

check the dates, the war was won (germany surrendered months before and the japanese were on their last legs). Bombing the japanese was a way to end the war quickly; to utterly destroy their spirits so they wouldn't all fight to the death meaning untold more american casualties. If the japanese hadn't been such fanatical nutcases the nukes wouldn't have been needed. Thats the way I learnt it anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_In_Europe
May 8, 1945(in commonwealth countries; May 7,1945), the date when the World War II Allies formally accepted the unconditional surrender of the armed forces of Nazi Germany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bom ... d_Nagasaki
During the final stages of World War II in 1945, the United States conducted two atomic bombings against the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in Japan, the first on August 6, 1945 and the second on August 9, 1945

[smoth]

I think that they forced japan into attacking, to make the people think that there should be war.

After that they knew that facing japan and the nazi's would be too much, so they decided to cripple japan so that they could focus on europe.

I don't agree.

even so, nuking japan was about more than pearl harbor.

[SpliFF]

Close this thread please.

It's distasteful even by the standards of this community - which is really saying something.

[smoth]

I can support this notion.

[Gota]

Close this thread please.

It's distasteful even by the standards of this community - which is really saying something.

Are you new here?

[bobthedinosaur]

kill the thread.

[bobthedinosaur]

karma is a cute concept. arguing karma over history when you don't know history is pretty pointless.

The British firebombed German civilians. The Americans firebombed Germany and Japan (fire bombing killed on par if not more civilians than the nuclear weapons). The Japanese killed lots of Phillipeanos and Chinese civilians. While Nazi Germany/ Italy/ Axis nations killed many European civilians in a systematic extermination process, Stalin killed even more civilians, and the Chinese even more than Stalin. The last 3 are inarguably genocide, but even with all of these lessons genocide has never gone away. Look up the mass genocide that has happen with in the last few decades and is still going on in Africa.

Any ways lots of killing... People are good at it. It is pointless to say there is any sort of karma in an eye for an eye system, especially on this scale of civilian deaths.

To even advertise that kind of idiocy (OP) is just sick. Sure you want people to bicker and yell because it's sometimes funny. But this is pretty fucked up.

[Gota]

You are wrong cause you double posted.

[MidKnight]

Close this thread please.

It's distasteful even by the standards of this community - which is really saying something.

Thirded.

Gota, this kind of thing may not be new, but it doesn't mean it can't be put to an end now.

[Forboding Angel]

Trying to argue about who was the bad guy in ww2 is pretty pointless. All sides killed large numbers of civilians when it was not necessary. All sides had committed atrocities which can be considered war crimes. History is written by the victor..

I would argue that in that particular war, with the constraints that the allies were fighting within, the killing of civilians was absolutely necessary. And yes, history, victors, etc.

Leaflets:

First!


And, the more alarming second.

forb, really, i try not to judge you based on these outbursts, but man are you misguided.

First of all, look up the casualties of the two things you are comparing, then maybe if those casualties where civilian or military. Also, leaflets? Really????????? You actually think the americans dropped LEAFLETS broadcasting the location and magnitude of their wonderful new megaweapon attack?

Au contraire?

[momfreeek]

"Surrender now or die." Such humanitarianism... the warning hardly excuses the action, does it?

[Otherside]

Still don't see why you are defending the US nuking Japan.

It was never acceptable.

[Cheesecan]

The Japs may not have slaughtered as many Americans at Pearl Harbor as were killed by the A-bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but in the Asian theater the Japs were pretty much engaging in mass-scale, systematic genocide in China, where they killed 17+ million civilians plus lots of soldiers in an unprovoked war.

You could add to that the gigantic death count subsequently caused by Mao's Communists taking power in China as a direct result of the KMT surrendering and fleeing to Taiwan => whopee liberals, history noobs and pacifists you once again fail to see anything but your own small islet of truth. You should consider what would have happened if the US did not enter WW2 when it did...we would all be too busy taking ubermensch penis up the ass to be discussing on these forums. There's a lot to criticize about the US for sure but faulting them for entering WW2 and saving our useless asses is not one.