TA is the best game, but new SPRING engine does not work.

[massivni]

Hi,
I somehow rembebered one of the best games ever I played on PC and wanted to play again after 5-6 years after I spent years and years, days and nights enjoying the TA.
I found SPRING engine and downloaded a games, but it is not working on my laptop

I remember the last one it worked it was Supreme Commander and TA Kingdoms without problems. Ok, I know this is a different engine, but if there is someone who could help me?

Best regards.

this is the log file;

LogOutput initialized.
Spring 0.82.7.1 (0.82.7.1)
Build date/time: Jan 8 2011 00:17:26
Available log subsystems: CollisionVolume, unit, ArchiveScanner, VFS-detail, VFS, Sound
Enabled log subsystems: Sound
Enable or disable log subsystems using the LogSubsystems configuration key
or the SPRING_LOG_SUBSYSTEMS environment variable (both comma separated).
Use "none" to disable the default log subsystems.
using configuration source "C:\Users\Foxtrot\AppData\Local\springsettings.cfg"
[CMyMath::Init] CPU SSE mask: 120, flags:
SSE 1.0: 1, SSE 2.0: 1
SSE 3.0: 1, SSSE 3.0: 0
SSE 4.1: 0, SSE 4.2: 0
SSE 4.0A: 0, SSE 5.0A: 0
using streflop SSE FP-math mode, CPU supports SSE instructions
OS: Microsoft Windows
Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate Edition, 32-bit (build 7600)
Genuine Intel(R) CPU T2600 @ 2.16GHz; 2046MB RAM, 4092MB pagefile
OS: 32bit native mode
Using read-write data directory: C:\Program Files\Spring\
Using read-only data directory: C:\Users\Foxtrot\Documents\My Games\Spring\
Scanning: C:\Users\Foxtrot\Documents\My Games\Spring\maps
Scanning: C:\Users\Foxtrot\Documents\My Games\Spring\mods
Scanning: C:\Users\Foxtrot\Documents\My Games\Spring\packages
Scanning: C:\Program Files\Spring\maps
Scanning: C:\Program Files\Spring\base
Scanning: C:\Program Files\Spring\games
Scanning: C:\Program Files\Spring\mods
Supported Video modes: 1920x1200, 1920x1080, 1680x1050, 1600x1200, 1400x1050, 1280x1024, 1280x800, 1280x768, 1280x720, 1024x768, 800x600, 720x480, 640x480, 640x432
Video mode set to 1440x900/32bit
[f=0000000] SDL: 1.2.10
[f=0000000] GL: 2.0.6465 Release
[f=0000000] GL: ATI Technologies Inc.
[f=0000000] GL: ATI Mobility Radeon X1400
[f=0000000] GLSL: 1.10
[f=0000000] GLEW: 1.5.4
[f=0000000] ATI hacks enabled
[f=0000000] Joysticks found: 0
[f=0000000] Joystick 0 not found
[f=0000000] Loading startscript from: C:\Program Files\Spring\\script.txt
[f=0000000] Connecting to local server
[f=0000000] Binding UDP socket to IP (v6) :: Port 8452
[f=0000000] [UDPListener] succesfully bound socket on port 8452
[f=0000000] Starting GameServer: 23 ms
[f=0000000] Starting demo recording
[f=0000000] Using map 1944_BocageSkirmish
[f=0000000] Recording demo demos/20110305_112525_1944_BocageSkirmish_0.82.7.sdf
[f=0000000] Using mod Balanced Annihilation V7.20
[f=0000000] [Sound] OpenAL info:
[f=0000000] [Sound] Vendor: OpenAL Community
[f=0000000] [Sound] Version: 1.1 ALSOFT 1.11.753
[f=0000000] [Sound] Renderer: OpenAL Soft
[f=0000000] [Sound] AL Extensions: AL_EXTX_buffer_sub_data AL_EXT_EXPONENT_DISTANCE AL_EXT_FLOAT32 AL_EXT_IMA4 AL_EXT_LINEAR_DISTANCE AL_EXT_MCFORMATS AL_EXT_OFFSET AL_EXTX_sample_buffer_object AL_EXT_source_distance_model AL_LOKI_quadriphonic
[f=0000000] [Sound] ALC Extensions: ALC_ENUMERATE_ALL_EXT ALC_ENUMERATION_EXT ALC_EXT_CAPTURE ALC_EXT_disconnect ALC_EXT_EFX ALC_EXTX_thread_local_context
[f=0000000] [Sound] ALC_EXT_EFX found (required for air absorption): yes
[f=0000000] [Sound] Device: DirectSound Software
[f=0000000] [Sound] Available Devices:
[f=0000000] [Sound] DirectSound Software
[f=0000000] [Sound] air absorption enabled: 0.1
[f=0000000] Using mod archive ba720.sdz
[f=0000000] Loading client data: 4131 ms
[f=0000000] User number 0 (team 0, allyteam 0)
[f=0000000] [Sound] parsed 25 sounds from gamedata/sounds.lua
[f=0000000] Loading sounds: 7 ms
[f=0000000] Camera and mouse: 331 ms
[f=0000000] Parsing unit icons
[f=0000000] Loading GameData Definitions
[f=0000000] Loading all definitions: 1.389000
[f=0000000] Loading GameData Definitions: 1449 ms
[f=0000000] Parsing Map Information
[f=0000000] Loading SMF
[f=0000000] Loading Map
[f=0000000] Calculating smooth height mesh
[f=0000000] Calculating smooth mesh: 51 ms
[f=0000000] Number of damage types: 40
[f=0000000] Creating unit textures
[f=0000000] Loading weapon definitions
[f=0000000] Loading unit definitions
[f=0000000] Loading feature definitions
[f=0000000] Initializing map features
[f=0000000] Reading Estimate PathCosts [8]
[f=0000000] Error opening cache\paths\1944_BocageSkirmish3000055707.pe.zip
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[f=0000000] PathCosts: writing
[f=0000000] PathCosts: written
[f=0000000] Reading Estimate PathCosts [32]
[f=0000000] Error opening cache\paths\1944_BocageSkirmish3000055731.pe2.zip
[f=0000000] PathCosts: precached 1 of 256
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[f=0000000] PathCosts: writing
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[f=0000000] [CPathManager] pathing data checksum: a928fa76
[f=0000000] Spring 0.82.7.1 (0.82.7.1) has crashed.
[f=0000000] Exception: Access violation (0xc0000005)
[f=0000000] Exception Address: 0x6935068e
[f=0000000] DLL information:
[f=0000000] 0x00400000 spring
[f=0000000] 0x77690000 ntdll
[f=0000000] 0x75bb0000 kernel32
[f=0000000] 0x75910000 KERNELBASE
[f=0000000] 0x64d00000 snxhk
[f=0000000] 0x10000000 DevIL
[f=0000000] 0x760b0000 MSVCRT
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[f=0000000] 0x77670000 sechost
[f=0000000] 0x77810000 RPCRT4
[f=0000000] 0x72410000 GLU32
[f=0000000] 0x61860000 OPENGL32
[f=0000000] 0x75af0000 GDI32
[f=0000000] 0x763b0000 USER32
[f=0000000] 0x75b40000 LPK
[f=0000000] 0x76820000 USP10
[f=0000000] 0x63180000 DDRAW
[f=0000000] 0x679c0000 DCIMAN32
[f=0000000] 0x75ed0000 SETUPAPI
[f=0000000] 0x75960000 CFGMGR32
[f=0000000] 0x76990000 OLEAUT32
[f=0000000] 0x76660000 ole32
[f=0000000] 0x75860000 DEVOBJ
[f=0000000] 0x741d0000 dwmapi
[f=0000000] 0x777e0000 IMAGEHLP
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[f=0000000] 0x68140000 ogg
[f=0000000] 0x64cc0000 vorbis
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[f=0000000] 0x62aa0000 glew32
[f=0000000] 0x002f0000 SDL
[f=0000000] 0x7c340000 MSVCR71
[f=0000000] 0x76480000 IMM32
[f=0000000] 0x768c0000 MSCTF
[f=0000000] 0x73d40000 dsound
[f=0000000] 0x74cb0000 POWRPROF
[f=0000000] 0x75760000 CRYPTBASE
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[f=0000000] 0x73980000 MSACM32
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[f=0000000] 0x745b0000 uxtheme
[f=0000000] 0x02450000 RocketDock
[f=0000000] 0x75c90000 PSAPI
[f=0000000] 0x69000000 atioglxx
[f=0000000] 0x722d0000 DINPUT
[f=0000000] 0x742e0000 HID
[f=0000000] 0x75990000 WINTRUST
[f=0000000] 0x759c0000 CRYPT32
[f=0000000] 0x75850000 MSASN1
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[f=0000000] 0x71910000 dbghelp
[f=0000000] Stacktrace:
[f=0000000] This stack trace indicates a problem with your graphic card driver. Please try upgrading or downgrading it. Specifically recommended is the latest driver, and one that is as old as your graphic card. Make sure to use a driver removal utility, before installing other drivers.
[f=0000000] (0) C:\Windows\system32\atioglxx.dll(atiPPHSN+0x2335fe) [0x6935068E]

[hoijui]

please post log files as file attachments or through pastebin.com in the future.

This stack trace indicates a problem with your graphic card driver. Please try upgrading or downgrading it. Specifically recommended is the latest driver, and one that is as old as your graphic card. Make sure to use a driver removal utility, before installing other drivers.

[massivni]

please post log files as file attachments or through pastebin.com in the future.

This stack trace indicates a problem with your graphic card driver. Please try upgrading or downgrading it. Specifically recommended is the latest driver, and one that is as old as your graphic card. Make sure to use a driver removal utility, before installing other drivers.

Ok, thanks for info, I am new to this forum. I will do it just now, just in case.
BTW. I have the latest driver.

paste bin file:
http://pastebin.com/M46z1jD7

[massivni]

I have tried this procedure:
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showt ... p?t=103995

but no luck
The output was:
atioglxx.dll is either not designer to run on Windows or it contains an error.....etc.

[hoijui]

as the message states, do not only test the latest driver.
it is a problem with your GFX card + driver (the OpenGL part, not DirectX, which is what most windows games use). it is a not a problem with spring. i have the same GFX card on a notebook of mine btw, and i was able to run older versions of spring under windows, but i do not use the notebook for spring anymore, i do not know if it would still work with newer versions, and it never worked acceptable under linux. ATI (and Intel) cards generally have bad OpenGL support, and even worse so under linux. so if you care for spring, maybe get nvidia next time. spring will most likely never support DirectX.

[massivni]

I have uninstantiated all the ATI drivers which are OEM by my Dell laptop.
I had drivers from official DELL website.

After the removal, Windows 7 have updated via Windows Update the generic ATI drivers and so far the SPRING works.

I hope I could play game without new glitches.


To sum up:
1. Remove all OEM drivers from your PC manufacturer
2. Accept windows updated drivers
3. Spring can load and play

Thanks for input

[hoijui]

hey!
glad it works for you now!
have fun!

[massivni]

hey!
glad it works for you now!
have fun!

Thanks but unfortunately, I can load the game and start, but occasionally when clicking a mouse I get exited from the game to windows.
I suspect that something is wrong with ATI drivers and graphic cards

I guess I have to stick to original TA game engine.
But was looking forward to this one.

Or even better. Buying a new PC should solve the problem :)

[aegis]

if you get a new computer, nvidia should be able to play spring without troubles

[massivni]

if you get a new computer, nvidia should be able to play spring without troubles

Thanks for advice...

I do not think I will be buying a new PC just to play TA, I think Dual Core 2.16 and 2 gig RAM should be sufficient for normal PC usage until some extra money comes in.
But I will definitely have in mind newly discovered TA engine including the games and will be buying NVidia based PC.

This is definitely the best game I ever played and deserve that system is build around that fact.

If I had a desktop I would invest in Nvidia upgrade, but with laptop your options are limited.

[Forboding Angel]

http://ta3d.org/home-en.php

^^ Might work for your computer

[massivni]

http://ta3d.org/home-en.php

^^ Might work for your computer

Interesting link.
Of course I have downloaded it straight away.
But it requires famous .hpi files, which means I need to look for original CDs.
This also means (I guess) that I can only play old missions and units (I have done the old original game at least 3-4times already including kingdoms and Supreme Commander).
In SPRING I could play another games, or maybe SPRING maps and missions are interchangeable in TA3D?

[hoijui]

+1 to buy nvidia for your next system if you like spring. we do not get money from them , but they have far superior OpenGL support, and if one day you might want to use linux, you would be double happy even, as the difference there is even bigger.

as for the mouse click issue, if there is a stack-trace at the end of infolog, please attach it again. you might also want to try to play windowed instead of full-screen, or changing the software-/hardware- cursor setting (both in spring-settings). even if you run spring windowed, you can still set it up so it plays like full-screen later.

[MidKnight]

NVidia is, in general, more supportive of indie development, as far as driver support and business philosophy go.
ATi tends to have better price/performance, but NVidia is well worth the premium.

This is from a long-time (5-6 years, now) ATi card owner.

[SinbadEV]

In SPRING I could play another games, or maybe SPRING maps and missions are interchangeable in TA3D?

Spring content is not Compatible with TA3D but I do believe there are a number of TA Mods and Total Conversions which are.

[jK]

ATi tends to have better price/performance, but NVidia is well worth the premium.

This isn't valid for a year now ...