Christmas sucks

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 23 Dec 2005, 08:41

Firstly, Jesus was decended of a jewish family in the middle east, meaning that he certainly had dark hair and darker skin than the average european or whatever. (I know europe and middle-east aren't connected, that's the point..) Second, his father was a carpenter, and since we can assume that he didn't just loaf around for 30 years until he began his ministry, he was almost certainly also a carpenter (he may have even been referred to as such (?) ). Both of the above would lead a reasoning person to believe that he wasn't some feeble, orange-haired walking corpse as the Church would have you believe... You have to be pretty damn burly to use first-century woodworking tools.

And for crap sake, Mary wasn't always a virgin. Think about this. Immaculate conception, joseph and mary get married, jesus born..... and they never have sex? WHAT THE HELL??? Isn't that, basically, the number one thing on every young couple's "to-do" list? COME ON.

Oh, and also Jesus couldn't have been born on the 25th of December, since it would be in the middle of winter and there wouldn't be flocks and shepards sleeping in the fields, as described by the bible. Yes, it's true they don't have snow in the middle east, but they sure as hell get a rainy season in that area, being as it's in extremely close to natural water sources (mediterranean, for one)

Also, santa claus isn't real.

Sorry for ruining your holiday. (unless you were already aware that it was just a commercial excuse for putting people in debt)

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Kuroneko · Post by **Kuroneko** » 23 Dec 2005, 08:49

Fun fact: 25th of December is not when he was born. It is when we celebrate his birth. Pay attention in church next time.

Fun fact: 25th of December was a pagan holiday, the christians decided to adopt the date in order to help 'convert' pagans to thier religion.

Fun fact: Modern views were not standard 2000 years ago

Maelstrom · Post by **Maelstrom** » 23 Dec 2005, 10:11

Christmas, for Christians and the like, is a good holiday. For the rest of the population, it is an over-commercialised, over-hyped, over-priced time that large buisnesses cash in on. It used to be good, but it isnt anymore.

But you still get presents, so it isnt all bad.

BvDorp · Post by **BvDorp** » 23 Dec 2005, 12:07

Go to some good church, hear a good story about someone loving everyone! He, does that suck? Not in my book..

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 23 Dec 2005, 12:11

I think the bible mentions jesus having siblings at one point... I always thought "the virgin mary" was more an identifier since she was a virgin at the point of conception of the messiah child, and there are other mary's refered to in the bible.

[edit] If I recall correctly the orign of the christian christmas has to do with missionaries of the earliest church trying to integrate christian principles with already existant times of celebration of the western world. Jesus almost certainly wasn't born in december, we just celebrate now because at some point someone decided it would be a better solution to combine a religious meaning with an already existning holiday.

aGorm · Post by **aGorm** » 23 Dec 2005, 17:21

Jsut to clear up, Jesus had several brothers, its well knowen, (relativly) and of course they got busy, but after he was bour. So it was still a virgin birth. Nd yep he was a carpenter, Funny I cant remeber ever going to church and being told that Jesus was a febal orange haired man... Must have missed that bit.
Unless you are of course talking about the stylaised windows that are obviosly just an artists impression of Jesus, which happen to be from a time when Us white people thought we were the best, and hence Jesus must have been a white man... But that has no baring on teh relaity of it.

Christmas is good. Me and all my friends all have a good time. Family meat up. If your unluckly then you dont get that, but then you can just lable the whole season as being crap because it is for you, because it would obviolsy be crap all year... not just at christmas.
(Unless you happen to know some realy weird people that decide to jsut hate you over the christmas season... but that would be nut!?!??!)

anyway...

aGorm

AF · Post by AF » 23 Dec 2005, 17:26

Actually I think thats just the halo thing, imagine back then in israel everyone all middle eastern looking, even the europeans from further up the med looking fairly tanned, and people see this guy and his family all pale white like the people in northern europe, they must have thought the skin was glowing or somethin.......

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 23 Dec 2005, 19:59

I have one thing to say to all this Cyder's talk:

Eh

Caydr · Post by **Caydr** » 23 Dec 2005, 21:39

Er... In my contempt for christmas, I will not even paragraph-ize the following. HA!

You know, I wouldn't really care that much... actually I don't really care that much, I just wanted to bitch about something because I can't turn on the radio without this horrifyingly bad christmas music coming on. I want to turn on the radio and hear the typical mediocre crap, not the really bad crap. How can people keep on making albums of christmas music? It's all been done! Who would voluntarily listen to this crap? The first noel? What the hell does that even mean? Can anyone here, without looking at a dictionary, identify what "noel" means? If I managed a radio station, I would advertize: NO CRISTMAS CRAP HERE! And I bet I'd get 100% of the audience in my area. I hate christmas. Why do you need an excuse to give gifts? My father bought me a laptop in the middle of the year because I wanted it and he hadn't bought me anything in a while. I asked, he gave, end of story. No, "well, let's wait until christmas, that way uh... uh..... uh..... wait a minute, there's no bloody reason to wait except that society expects us to!". Sure as hell beats waiting 6 months until some queer pseudo-religious holiday comes around.

AF · Post by AF » 23 Dec 2005, 21:54

midway through? If it wasnt for christmas I'd have never gotten a present bigger than ├é┬ú100 save on birthdays.

Without xmas my parents wouldnt buy me ought like that at all, and my birthdays would onyl see me get an extra DVD cus there sint anythign like xmas.

All the rest you can goto hell with tho ^-^. Ahk and christmas morning television is even worse.

aGorm · Post by **aGorm** » 23 Dec 2005, 22:06

Scroooge!!

Come on, its not all that bad. I listened to Wizards christmas everyday 2 hours stright yesterday and Im fine.

Oh Mr green hankie, how can I help you?? opps, tehre goes the spoon.

aGorm

FizWizz · Post by **FizWizz** » 24 Dec 2005, 00:17

I can connect with you about awful christmas music Caydr, my family insists on playing the lamest crap you can imagine. Christmas and electric guitars mix like oil and water, 'nuff said.

Maelstrom · Post by **Maelstrom** » 24 Dec 2005, 00:53

Internet Radio. Problem solved.

Weaver · Post by **Weaver** » 24 Dec 2005, 01:00

The nativity is the only christian part of Christmas, almost every other tradition is pagan in origin.

aGorm · Post by **aGorm** » 24 Dec 2005, 01:14

and even then teh craper was added latter on my rather daft people...

aGorm

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 24 Dec 2005, 04:28

Oh, about X-mas:

Where are the killer robot santa's.

But the gifts are nice. And society dose wird things already. Like villifying people who arent like you!

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 24 Dec 2005, 06:03

In my opinion, the whole point of christmas gifts is so that the giver gives the person something they wouldn't normally buy them or make them, or something the receiver wouldn't normally buy himself. I got my best buddy a bottle of bailies. No way in hell would I ever buy him that in the normal year, there's just no reason for it. He wouldn't buy it for himself because it's something out of the box... he'd probably rather buy himself a case of beer, but I guarentee you it's something he's going to enjoy.

I agree, "I was going to buy you a laptop anyways so I waited until christmas" is bad christmas gifting. A good christmas gift is something probably unexpected, but at the same time much enjoyed.

It's an oppertunity to show your friend's you care about them.

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 24 Dec 2005, 06:54

Fun fact about Christmas in America: Christmas was not celebrated among American Protestants, with the exception of Anglicans, in colonial America and the early republic. It was "created", so to speak, by retailers in the mid-1800s, who naturally emphasized the ancient custom of giving gifts in order to maximize their sales. Apparently they've succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.

So if you want to celebrate a traditional American Christian holiday - don't make it Christmas!

Zoombie · Post by **Zoombie** » 24 Dec 2005, 07:35

its funny cuase its true.

Now, we need to go back in time, get the guy who thought this up and show him what has become of his works!

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 24 Dec 2005, 15:16

Honestly this is probably what this fabled retailer in the 1800s had in mind, marketing type folkes love obsessive comercialistic perversions of holidays.

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