League of Legends

[Otherside]

no champion has a real feel.

You clearly havent played fiddlesticks. he is undoubtedly the best carry, ive taken all 5 enemy team members in 1 crowstorm on more than one occasion :D

fiddlesticks is a jungler really hes a subpar laning AP carry compared to Kassadin/Aniva/Kennen

good people won't clump to get hit by fiddle ulti.

[TheMightyOne]

no champion has a real feel.

You clearly havent played fiddlesticks. he is undoubtedly the best carry, ive taken all 5 enemy team members in 1 crowstorm on more than one occasion :D

fiddle is one of those champs that are really good when you start out playing but once you hit a certain skill level it becomes much much more difficult to use him effectively :-/ fiddle needs bushes he can jump out with his ult and good players ward bushes

[Regret]

if AD. Stack dorans blade early go quick infinity edge get a banshees get more damage.

Stacking dorans works only when your enemy has no idea what to do. They don't build into anything and leave you naked lategame when your enemy doesn't feed you. With such build it's very likely you will get shutdown fast and have no chance of coming back lategame.

if AP. depending if your mana dependant or not get tear/archangel, get zonyas hat Banshees if needed.

Often it's better to get rylais (slows enemy) and another survival item rather than straight up rabadons cap.

if tank get more armour/magic res depending on enemy composition. Get Banshees.

Yes tanks need survival to take the heat/initiate, something wrong about that concept? Banshees is a situational pick. You need to analyze enemy team and decide what to build, you can't just stack resists against burst damage, you need hp. And you can't just get loads of hp with enemy having madreds/%damage champions. You always need to adapt. There's no preset tank build.

if support spam ward if you have cash for anything get survivability.

You're not meant to be taking damage/getting focused as support, if you are then you are doing it wrong. Support is to buff your allies with auras/your abilities. As support it's rare to have enough cash to spam wards as your primary income is from assists, farm/creeps are left for your teammates.

Copy paste pretty much all heroes apply to these rules. Flash/Ghost on every1, clarity for a support.

Might be your playstyle, you won't get far with building the same way over and over. You will encounter someone with grasp of game mechanics that will simply counter you.

my elo is at 1700 atm.

Your highest ranked elo is 1424 on EU servers. You have no ranked elo on US servers. Where did the 1700 come from?

http://eu.leagueoflegends.com/ladders/solo-5x5 as you said your nick is Otherside, easy to look up and see you're lying.

[pintle]

I'm glad Regret made a post shooting down Otherside's bullshit, I could not be bothered to list the fails in his ULTIMATE LOL CLASS BY CLASS GUIDE.

[Otherside]

eeeh my max elo is 1700 btw.

And also its not bullshit.

Watch the streams from the top LoL players like manyreasons hotshotgg etc.

They copy paste/repeat everything I said.

Now if you want to own in your casual game because its fun to lols about in thats fine.

But comparing it to Dota/HoN is a joke the game is shallow/flawed as hell.

anyway cba to debate any longer, Regret will only ever argue to try to prove me wrong because he has personal angst against me. Even though I am probably right he will continue to try to prove me wrong.

Regret could always try playing HoN or maybe its just a tad too hard for him.

Man up.

[pintle]

Ok I will focus on one aspect of your analysis to try and portray how shallow and prejudiced I percieve you to have been.

AP carries being the only ofensive caster archetype: You completely ignore the notion of spell penetration and obviously ergo different character's ap scaling, and also counterbuilding AP/spell pen relative to enemy builds. You don't mention mejai's. You dont mention rylais, ie how the dot/aoe inefficiency compounds the character subjectivity of the item. Will of the ancients? You seem to think Deathat and Zhonya's are the same item...

Bored of listing the very obvious huge fallacies in what you have said. HoN supports a more super srs competitive community, true, but I feel that is not the defining hook of the genre (at all, especially if you are solo queue), and you are unfairly discrediting LoL, entirely based on a skewed comparison because of your rampant fanboism.

[TheMightyOne]

Why compare at all? I told you already it's like saying Starcraft is better than Total Annihilation. Both are RTS but both are totally different games.

I like LoL but I also like (and own) HoN and I like it for different reasons. Why compare if you can enjoy both? You think HoN is more fun? That may very well be true. For you. I think both games are great for different reasons so why compare at all? MOBA is a new gerne and its easy to compare cuz there are only 3 products on the market. Why didn't you mention "Bloodline Champions"? It's an awesome game. When C&C came out everybody was prolly comparing it to "WarCraft 2" but nowadays nobody bothers cuz there are hundrets of different RTS games out there. Both are MOBAs, but both are different games. Don't compare. Enjoy.

[Sucky_Lord]

Quick question: Does the banshee's veil spell resist function stack with more veils? How many is it worth buying? They dont seem that good for the cost.

[triton]

UNIQUE Passive: Blocks one negative spell every 30 seconds.

ALL UNIQUE passive or active cannot be stacked, when its unique you can have this item 2 times or more but you will have only ONE UNIQUE skill working.

[Otherside]

Magic penetration marks is standard on every caster.

If you have single target spammy spells u go rylais (vlad/kennen)

And soulstealer just adds to the whole stack AP thing. the whole process is so standard I didn't think it was worth mentioning. Its just an AP race at the end of the day and there are very few meaningful choices.

Summoner spells especially ghost/flash kinda ruin things. in HoN the equivalent to flash (portal key) costs 2150 gold which is a fairly hefty amount early. Farming it in under 12 mins is a good achievement and vital to most heroes success, unlike flash (I know it has a longer cd) you can't use it when damaged so its just not an easy escape mechanism, infact back dota when the blink dagger could be used regardless of damage, the game was horrible and blink dagger was core on every hero, eventually Icefrog changed it and the game became 1000 times better.

Also the low mana cost/low cd and lack of MP or casting costs on some heroes means the game itself is very spammy. In LoL you spell spam alot in lane there are very few meaningful and clutch moves its just spam spam spam. In HoN/Dota some heroes can barely unload most of their spells with an unbuffed mana pool which makes using spells an important decision and aiming skill shots very important. LoL sort of removes the need for good mana management.

[TheMightyOne]

I hate flash :/ Riot said that they would remove it but I can see why they didn't yet... Flash is an essential part of many champs and its removing would be a huge nerf. I hope they'll come up with something.

[Sucky_Lord]

I've found flash to be utterly useless :S It has such a pathetic range! Can someone explain to me how to use it effectively? Apparently its absolutely essential for fiddle, but I prefer health regen and smite.

[Otherside]

I hate flash :/ Riot said that they would remove it but I can see why they didn't yet... Flash is an essential part of many champs and its removing would be a huge nerf. I hope they'll come up with something.

The obvious route is making it part of an item, its a proven working method and you could increase range of it a bit and lower cd (and not use on damage like in dota/hon)

But riot seems to dislike giving useful active abilities on items. inb4 grasp/raduin they are not true utility items just some more damage and aoe slow.

[TheMightyOne]

But riot seems to dislike giving useful active abilities on items. inb4 grasp/raduin they are not true utility items just some more damage and aoe slow.

I wouldn't mind them raising the skill cap a bit. I know it's a different story in HoN where like almost every item as an activate. I guess Riot thinks that it's too complicated to the casual crown out there.

[Sucky_Lord]

Does anybody know whether it's better to stack ability power or magic pen. with Fiddle?

I've had an extensive look around on the LoL forums, but as any of you who've been there will know, its just trolls spamming useless, false info.

The general idea i've got so far, from the more useful posts, is:
Fiddle has a 'high AP ratio' so its best to stack some AP early game.
Sorcerer's shoes give +20 magic pen, which is worth getting when you have the money for boots
If the enemy is stacking magic resist I should get magic pen.

What do you think of this? Please let me know if im missing anything here!

[pintle]

If you are safe to get sorc shoes (ie do not need merc treads) then you are generally pretty set for spell pen unless you are going against someone whoring magic resist, then you may want to get a void staff pretty early. If your team is caster heavy you may want to make the abyssal scepter (think thats the name) but I generally prefer void staff in 90% of cases.

It is very situational, but generally sorc shoes is adequate spell penetration for early->mid game.

Have never played Fiddle so take that with a pinch of salt.

Edit: I assume you are rolling with full spell pen reds (or aiming to when you can afford them)

[Sucky_Lord]

yes full spell pen and ability power for the seals(i think its the seals)

[TheMightyOne]

Here is how I think should be built. I've played my share of Fiddle back in the day but I'm no fiddle pro by any means.

Runes:

Magic Pen, MP/5, CDR or AP/LvL
Quits: Flat AP or flat HP or Move Speed.

Build:

Fiddle is all about his ult, he ults into a crowd of enemies when he doesn't ult he fears somebody and drains them. So the first thing we realize is fiddle is always in the vicinity of the enemies. So you cant be running around with 1000 hp and no armor/resistance.

First big item should be Rylai. AP, HP and a permanent slow on drain is epic imo. Fiddles spells are so cheap that he doesnt need a big manapool. So there is no need for the common choice e.g. archangels/rod of ages.

now if the game goes well i'd prolly rush deathcap, if not I'd go straight for hourglass. Hourglass is THE must have item for fiddle in order for him to get the full duration of the ult without enemy team bursting him down.

Then it all depends. But Rylai and Hourglass are core imo. Why? Coz it makes sense and both items synergize well with his skill-set.

Reading guides is a good way to get an idea about how you should build a champion but try to figure out what makes sense on your own. There was a post on the LoL forum some times ago about "flavour of the months" and "new trends" and the point of the post was that there are people behind those things. Don't just blindly copy a build for a guide or do the same build every game. Always analyze the situation and think about whats best for the champion and what is best right now. Maybe you'll come up with something nobody else ever thought before, be the trend-setter.

On another note though, try other champions and come back to fiddle after you've played some other mages/tanks/ranged dps. Be on the receiving end for once, it totally changes the perception of the game.

[smoth]

I know this tree guy is beating you up and I know it is embarassing to lose badly to the fucking spongy maokai but for christ's sake, if I was kog maw you bleeding from anuses that you didn't know you had. DON'T SURRENDER FGGTS! WHAT?!? NO! NO! DON'T SURRENDER

GODDMNIT!

[Panda]

Lol. Yea! Don't let a little wood cause you to bleed from the anus. Tree guys aren't that bad!