Opinions about the naming of an Islamic center

[tombom]

By the way the ADL's position is its own.If you mentioned them because you think thy somehow represent me as well you are mistaken.
In fact the ADL is almsot unknown in Israel and i am sure that it is not a spokesmen of the entire jewish community in the US.

I most certainly don't think the ADL somehow speaks for anybody except themselves. No unelected subset of a group can represent the whole group (lol representative democracy). I wasn't referring to them as an example of anyone except themselves.

And I was being facetious, but I do think it's a shame they didn't speak out for religious tolerance. It shouldn't be a nationwide issue IMO.

[hoijui]

there were only jews in the concentration camps?
no Christians at all?
nazis god was the fuehrer, they were not Christian.
the non jews in concentration camps do not matter cause they were a minority?

you act as if your contra argument possibly weak, but the only one. that is wrong. you say: obviously there could be some that would dislike it, so why do it?
world peace is also something the weapon manufacturers would not like, so why trying to get there?

ouh, ouh.. but i am full of logical fallUcies ...

[Gota]

I was not saying jews were right or Christians were right,you missed the point completely.

The point was the pope decided what he decided cause he understood that although the nuns were trying to do good it resulted in more bad than good and thus asked them to prey at a near by, further away location.

The nuns didnt have to be exactly at that spot to prey(im guessing) so it wasn't a big issue compared to the long argument it all caused that lasted for a long time.

[hoijui]

you are not a religious jew (which would be bad, cause religion is bad), you are just anti muslim (which is required for the western civilization to survive -> healthy). you are not even against all muslims, because there are also some (red: few) that are not terrorists, which are the relatively secular and thus intelligent ones.

best would be, if the intelligent, secular people of this planet would fight the religious ones (especially muslims), cause they are just trying to extinct the western culture.
war against terror (btw, war is something much worse then terror in your definition). or to be more consequent: war against anything that by some could be seen as negative.

i herewith have still been less creative in describing how you are, then you have been in contrary.

[Gota]

You know i dont think you really care about the subject much.
I think you care much more to prove that i live up to some expectations you have of "someone" like me.

[tombom]

best would be, if the intelligent, secular people of this planet would fight the religious ones (especially muslims), cause they are just trying to extinct the western culture.

holy shit ahahaha what the fuck?

So literally every single religious person is trying to make "Western" culture extinct? That's utterly absurd! And oh no god forbid somebody be a Jew!! Terrible. This also implies that you're arguing for the extinciton of non-Western cultures. This is simply fascism by another name: declaring a war between two cultures, us and them, and saying it's a war to the death - one cannot exist with the other, they are destroying our way of life and preventing us achieving our full potential! It's absurd and disgusting and horrible and it's scary that you could call yourself intelligent and secular after arguing for something so disgusting.

edit: it's been brought to my attention these are not hoijui actual views. instead pretend all references to you are approiately moved to referring to these views

[JohannesH]

You know i dont think you really care about the subject much.

Well, the subject is some tiny islam centers name on the other side of the world, why would pretty much anyone care??

[knorke]

The pointwas the pope decided what he decided cause he understood

wow did that ever happen again?

[Machete234]

This city was taken and all Christians and Jews eventually were either killed, expelled out of it,forced to convert or live as dhimmis(taxed heavily,suffered very strict rules and punishments and forced to physically show they are not Muslim at all times).
It than became a capitol of an Islamic caliphate....

The point is that all three religions lived together peacefully and that the arabs where more just rulers than the christians at the time.
It is the middle ages after all.
Christians where burning witches and books and people who claimed the world wasnt a disc.
All those science books they had to get back from the muslims later who where smart enough not to burn them.

[Machete234]

713 - Abd al-Aziz ibn Musa, Musa ibn Nusair's son, takes Ja├®n, Murcia, Granada, Sagunto.

* The Christians of Seville and Toledo revolt, but are put down by Abd al-Aziz ibn Musa's troops. Toledo is pillaged and its notables are beheaded.

After another revolt in Toledo, 700 men, women and children are beheaded by the Muslims.
818 - The revolt in C├│rdoba against the Muslims is punished by three days of massacres and pillage, with 300 notables crucified and 20,000 families expelled.

All christians and jews were living under dhimmi law with land being seized and them paying more taxes and treated as second class citizens.

Youre aware that in the middle ages people didnt have the same rights as today.
And the word citizen is a joke in itself.

And the christians did these massacres too when they tried to cleanse the holy land of all heathens.

[Gota]

713 - Abd al-Aziz ibn Musa, Musa ibn Nusair's son, takes Ja├®n, Murcia, Granada, Sagunto.

* The Christians of Seville and Toledo revolt, but are put down by Abd al-Aziz ibn Musa's troops. Toledo is pillaged and its notables are beheaded.

After another revolt in Toledo, 700 men, women and children are beheaded by the Muslims.
818 - The revolt in C├│rdoba against the Muslims is punished by three days of massacres and pillage, with 300 notables crucified and 20,000 families expelled.

All christians and jews were living under dhimmi law with land being seized and them paying more taxes and treated as second class citizens.

Youre aware that in the middle ages people didnt have the same rights as today.
And the word citizen is a joke in itself.

And the christians did these massacres too when they tried to cleanse the holy land of all heathens.

Of course.

[echoone]

who claimed the world wasnt a disc.

Really just a side note....but I hope people realize this didn't really happen. Pretty much everyone who was educated believed the world was round. Popular retelling of history has dramatically overstated the flat Earth misconception of our forefathers.

Anyone that has been to sea can tell you its pretty easy to validate the world is round. Over the horizon, beyond visual range navigation is a common fact of life that has been fairly well understood since before the invention of the compass for navigation.

...but I digress...and now back to the free for all...

[Machete234]

Something like that but didnt gallileo have problems with the inquisition for saying our solar system is heliocentric?

[echoone]

Something like that but didnt gallileo have problems with the inquisition for saying our solar system is heliocentric?

Yes. Because the church's position was since man was God's ultimate creation, the entire universe revolved around the earth. Which logically means, if the earth revolves around the sun rather than the sun revolving around earth, then the church is wrong. Any public statement which incriminates the infallible church as being fallible, or worse, wrong, demands prosecution for heresy against God and the church.

None of which really has to do with the earth being flat or not.

[Panda]

Something like that but didnt gallileo have problems with the inquisition for saying our solar system is heliocentric?

Yes. Because the church's position was since man was God's ultimate creation, the entire universe revolved around the earth. Which logically means, if the earth revolves around the sun rather than the sun revolving around earth, then the church is wrong. Any public statement which incriminates the infallible church as being fallible, or worse, wrong, demands prosecution for heresy against God and the church.

None of which really has to do with the earth being flat or not.

Because of his heliocentric views Galileo, was forced by the church to recant and was placed under house arrest for the remainder of his life.

Did you know that ancient Indian astronomers used to believe that the earth (the earth was flat) and it's beings were held up on back of a cosmic turtle, the god Vishnu's Kurma avatara?