Starcraft 2

[luckywaldo7]

Saying starcraft factions are more different then other major commercial rts games is like saying a turd stinks less then the surrounding turds.

My point was that if you wanted to be creative, go ahead and be creative, do not get stuck in the same rut that most other modern rts get stuck in because you are trying to be like starcraft.



[edit]For the record, I love playing starcraft, I'm coming off strongly on this because I can't stand people who treat it like the beginning and end of all real time strategy D:[/edit]

[Hobo Joe]

Yes I have played Starcraft, yes there are differences, no they are not really that significant, and no I do not suck Blizzard's overrated member on an overhyped game.

... no, they are pretty different, more so than any other RTS that comes immediately to mind. different playstyles, strengths, mindset. I play protoss normally, abdwhen I switch to zerg for lulz there is very little similarity in what im doing.

the button bashing is only at the highest level remember. spring would be played button bashing also if the community ever reached that level of skill, its just optimal play.

Not as much, Spring doesn't have near as much menial micro, plus it has better queue's and line formations and widgets. There'd be a lot of micro yes, but not near as much.

And most of the button mashing in high-level sc play is just redundant commands anyway to spoof higher apm. There actual number of performed actions is drastically lower than their apm would suggest.

[edit]For the record, I love playing starcraft, I'm coming off strongly on this because I can't stand people who treat it like the beginning and end of all real time strategy D:[/edit]

Yeah pretty much this. I don't love it, but normally I'd be indifferent to it, it just amazes me how much people love it and worship it as if it's the greatest creation to ever grace a computer before, so I can't avoid a lashback reaction.

[Caydr]

It's the most accessible and polished RTS with a slick built-in multiplayer system, nothing more to it. To people that just want some quick RTS fun without getting bogged down in details and menus, Starcraft really is the best there is.

I, being a gentleman and a scholar, prefer things a little more complex, but I think we can all agree that a little indulgence in something simpler isn't a bad thing from time to time.

[Hobo Joe]

it has no zoom

[Gota]

It's the most accessible and polished RTS with a slick built-in multiplayer system, nothing more to it. To people that just want some quick RTS fun without getting bogged down in details and menus, Starcraft really is the best there is.

I, being a gentleman and a scholar, prefer things a little more complex, but I think we can all agree that a little indulgence in something simpler isn't a bad thing from time to time.

You cant declare yourself a gentleman and a scholar,wtf?

[JohannesH]

the button bashing is only at the highest level remember. spring would be played button bashing also if the community ever reached that level of skill, its just optimal play.

No... Good awareness and passable handspeed is prequisite to playing good, not something that only starts mattering once you're good.

[Hobo Joe]

the button bashing is only at the highest level remember. spring would be played button bashing also if the community ever reached that level of skill, its just optimal play.

No... Good awareness and passable handspeed is prequisite to playing good, not something that only starts mattering once you're good.

You should have been on last night, aegis went on for like an hour about how ping and reflexes didn't matter in Spring because you have queue's. He kept talking about how he played "several seconds ahead", priceless.


I'll probably get banned from the lobby for mocking him

[1v0ry_k1ng]

Not as much, Spring doesn't have near as much menial micro, plus it has better queue's and line formations and widgets. There'd be a lot of micro yes, but not near as much.

SC2 dosnt have much menial micro at all. all command centers in ctrl-1, all warpgates in ctrl-2, all robo cores in ctrl-3 etc + worker rally points mean a base can be run without even looking at it. My micromanagement is weak, im a massive macro whore, and im finding managing multiple base play dead easy. (but then, im only platinum atm, SC2 was my first real foray into SC multiplayer)

Im not saying starcraft is the bees knees either, im just saying it is very playable

[Hoi]

Ivory how can you possibly use the warpgates without going to a pylon and pressing hotkey/clicking? Is it possible?

Looks like you're pretty good so got any tips for me as a protoss player that are useful?

[1v0ry_k1ng]

Ivory how can you possibly use the warpgates without going to a pylon and pressing hotkey/clicking? Is it possible?

Looks like you're pretty good so got any tips for me as a protoss player that are useful?

that isnt exactly difficult
press 2 to select all warpgates then spam click of unit you want to build. they instantly build, so its really easier than managing a spring economy, just build them until you run out of resources. I tend to mass warpgates in the midgame (10+) then focus my play around sneaking warp prisms into their bases for the massive warp in straight into the worker line (ie, suicial attack on front while warp prism deploys at the back, gut worker lines then spend all my remaining resources on simultanously building 9000 cannons at my first expansion ready when they try and base trade. if they dont, economic advantage = win)

[Hoi]

Hehe well for a sec I just thought it was possible to spawn warp gate units without clicking in an energy field :)

Warp prisms work pretty well in mid/late midgame if you load them up with a few fully charged high templars to psi storm their workers. Spawning a bunch of zealots usually kills a lot less of their workers (atleast when I do it). Also the HT are a very good counter against bio ball, really helps me out if I combine it with storm worker harass.

[Forboding Angel]

My 2 favorite sc2 replays:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJfkBg0aPZ8 (Idra vs Masq)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT10YAs7hTY (Orb vs Artosis)

edit: @hoi, if you're gonna try to use zealots to harass workers midgame, imo you should have zealot legs. Makes the killing just that much faster. Blink stalkers are fun for that too. And if you're really dedicated, you can use sentries to forcefield in the workers and use zealots and stalkers on them or just psi storm them.

A lot to use just for workers tho

[SwiftSpear]

Hehe well for a sec I just thought it was possible to spawn warp gate units without clicking in an energy field :)

Warp prisms work pretty well in mid/late midgame if you load them up with a few fully charged high templars to psi storm their workers. Spawning a bunch of zealots usually kills a lot less of their workers (atleast when I do it). Also the HT are a very good counter against bio ball, really helps me out if I combine it with storm worker harass.

Warp prism means you can have both templars and zealots in your harrass attack, meaning they can't just defend your 1 warp prism with a handful of queen/hydra or marines, they need to actually move their army back,which can give you map control when you really need it. It makes protoss nigh impossible to contain.

[SwiftSpear]

the button bashing is only at the highest level remember. spring would be played button bashing also if the community ever reached that level of skill, its just optimal play.

No... Good awareness and passable handspeed is prequisite to playing good, not something that only starts mattering once you're good.

Purely speaking, your APM doesn't have to be absurdly high in SC2 like it had to in SC1. There are a lot of AI things that reduce outright APM micro. But learning things like hotkeys and control grouping is an absolute must that many players find as a major obstical to improving their play.

[Hoi]

edit: @hoi, if you're gonna try to use zealots to harass workers midgame, imo you should have zealot legs. Makes the killing just that much faster. Blink stalkers are fun for that too. And if you're really dedicated, you can use sentries to forcefield in the workers and use zealots and stalkers on them or just psi storm them.

That's true but I prefer doing it with high templars, that way it's just a hit and run. with about 4 well placed storms you kill about all workers in their base/expansion. If you do it with zealots, even if they have legs, the opponent will respond, he will take the workers out of there and you will probably lose the zealots.

I do like blink and zealot legs. Very effective against everything, especially the zealot legs, without it they are just too slow in the midgame.

[Forboding Angel]

I do like blink and zealot legs. Very effective against everything, especially the zealot legs, without it they are just too slow in the midgame.

Especially vs speedlings. Damn little annoying buggers.

[1v0ry_k1ng]

post your SC2 alias so we can get a spring vet clan together

[Wombat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJfkBg0aPZ8 (Idra vs Masq)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT10YAs7hTY (Orb vs Artosis)

idra is biggest win ever

[Forboding Angel]

I can't stand the guy. I just enjoy watching him lose. And seeing him get taunted by a barracks landing and taking off repeatedly made me lol.

[1v0ry_k1ng]

idra is every kind of a hero