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Various things about Spring that do not fit in any of the other forums listed below, including forum rules.

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Neddie
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Re: Spring Network

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AF wrote:It would appear that zwzsg is championing the concepts I tried to push in this community, cookies for zwzsg, and why? Because its the right way to do it.
You forgot me and probably two dozen other people.
luckywaldo7 wrote::<

I always though that one of the great strengths of the spring engine was the variety of great game experiences it offered.
This is a strength for hobbyists, genre aficionados, and developers. These people, however, make up a very small fraction of those people who would play an RTS.
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Re: Spring Network

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You = S44?

Who are the two other dozen?
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Re: Spring Network

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Any of the many other people who seriously attempted to promote games on the engine as games, with independent installers, lobbies, etcetera. Argh, Gnomre, Smoth, and various others including me also espoused this perspective - Gnomre wanted to run an independent server for SW:IW, Argh actually did and may still run one for P.U.R.E. I believe at least one person involved with EoW sought similar.

The point is not that the view is incorrect, but that AF is not the only person who tried to push it. I wanted to put the record straight there, and otherwise I agree with what both you and he are saying.
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Re: Spring Network

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I never claimed to be the only person advocating it, that is a fallacy on your behalf, heck even iamacup promoted the idea, we were advocating this stance long before you started getting involved with spring mid 2006, heck you didnt even mention it until almost a year after people first kicked up a fuss
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Re: Spring Network

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Z, instead of understanding me, you're getting upset. If you distribute via an installer, the script works for exe as well. That's the whole point, you can have a permalink that never has to change.

If you read back over my replies, you'll see me listing a bunch of reasons why SD would be a poor choice.
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Re: Spring Network

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So these are basically just image links that you can chuck on your site that will link to the Spring Network Index. The more sites that link back, the more visits other sites get, and the more visitors benefit.

I just threw a couple together, however, if there is the need, I can make some more or specific ones if these ones don't fit with your site. You probably don't want them to stand out like a sore thumb so alternatively you could just link to them in your navigation or wherever. I think the footer would be the best place for the images though.

Obviously, you don't have to do this for Spring Network to link to you, but it would help with my goal.

Here's the stuffs:

________________________________________________

Image 1:

Normal:
Image
Hover:
Image
Javascript Preloader: (Put this in the head of your HTML) wrote: <SCRIPT language="JavaScript">
<!-- hide from none JavaScript Browsers
preload_image = new Image(150,50);
preload_image.src="images/network_hover.png";
// End Hiding -->
</SCRIPT>
HTML: (Paste this in your HTML where you want it to appear on the page wrote: <a class="sn" href="http://springnetwork.info/"></a>
CSS: (Paste this anywhere in your CSS. By default, the images are picked up from an images folder but you'll probably have to change the image file locations, it's easy enough) wrote: a:link.sn{
position: absolute;
width: 150px;
height: 50px;
background-image: url(images/network.png);
}

a:visited.sn{
position: absolute;
width: 150px;
height: 50px;
background-image: url(images/network.png);
}

a:hover.sn{
position: absolute;
width: 150px;
height: 50px;
background-image: url(images/network_hover.png);
}

a:active.sn{
position: absolute;
width: 150px;
height: 50px;
background-image: url(images/network_hover.png);
}
________________________________________________

Image 2:

Normal:
Image
Hover:
Image
Javascript Preloader: (Put this in the head of your HTML) wrote: <SCRIPT language="JavaScript">
<!-- hide from none JavaScript Browsers
preload_image = new Image(150,50);
preload_image.src="images/network1_hover.png";
// End Hiding -->
</SCRIPT>
HTML: (Paste this in your HTML where you want it to appear on the page wrote: <a class="sn" href="http://springnetwork.info/"></a>
CSS: (Paste this anywhere in your CSS. By default, the images are picked up from an images folder but you'll probably have to change the image file locations, it's easy enough) wrote: a:link.sn{
position: absolute;
width: 150px;
height: 50px;
background-image: url(images/network1.png);
}

a:visited.sn{
position: absolute;
width: 150px;
height: 50px;
background-image: url(images/network1.png);
}

a:hover.sn{
position: absolute;
width: 150px;
height: 50px;
background-image: url(images/network1_hover.png);
}

a:active.sn{
position: absolute;
width: 150px;
height: 50px;
background-image: url(images/network1_hover.png);
}
________________________________________________

Image 3:

Normal:
Image
Hover:
Image
Javascript Preloader: (Put this in the head of your HTML) wrote: <SCRIPT language="JavaScript">
<!-- hide from none JavaScript Browsers
preload_image = new Image(282,50);
preload_image.src="images/network2_hover.png";
// End Hiding -->
</SCRIPT>
HTML: (Paste this in your HTML where you want it to appear on the page wrote: <a class="sn" href="http://springnetwork.info/"></a>
CSS: (Paste this anywhere in your CSS. By default, the images are picked up from an images folder but you'll probably have to change the image file locations, it's easy enough) wrote: a:link.sn{
position: absolute;
width: 282px;
height: 50px;
background-image: url(images/network2.png);
}

a:visited.sn{
position: absolute;
width: 282px;
height: 50px;
background-image: url(images/network2.png);
}

a:hover.sn{
position: absolute;
width: 282px;
height: 50px;
background-image: url(images/network2_hover.png);
}

a:active.sn{
position: absolute;
width: 282px;
height: 50px;
background-image: url(images/network2_hover.png);
}
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Of course, feel free to modify these, make your own or whatever. Here's the Spring Network logo in case you want to use it (For AF too I guess):

Image

The typeface is easy enough, just bold Arial with a short drop shadow.

Also, I've added an example what one of them would look like on the CA page: http://springnetwork.info/games/ca/
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Re: Spring Network

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Can you provide the original source file? A jpeg/png wont provide layers, or vector components, nor will it scale upwards.

Try using Css + sprites to get rid of the need for preloading and javascript
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Re: Spring Network

Post by knorke »

Image
make the boxes into spring stars
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Re: Spring Network

Post by CarRepairer »

Jazcash, why don't you just provide a simple piece of code for people to embed it without having to paste all the css and javascript? All the scripting and styles can link from the Springnetwork site.
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Re: Spring Network

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No thanks, i wont link to JS or CSS files outside my server.

You can use <style> tags for pasting extra CSS in the HTML file.

And having mouseover effects on such buttons isnt needed at all IMO.

Anyways, looks good 8)

Edit: hmm, i think those smaller buttons should have word "spring" in it

Edit2: even though i dont prefer mouseover effects on such buttons, you should swap the images, gray when mouseover, or it looks boring when you see gray by default... site should look good by default, not good only when you point stuff there.
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Re: Spring Network

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TradeMark wrote:No thanks, i wont link to JS or CSS files outside my server.
:roll: This sort of paranoia is extremely irritating. You are aware that you can directly dl an external js or css file and view it's contents, right?
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Re: Spring Network

Post by Peet »

Forboding Angel wrote:
TradeMark wrote:No thanks, i wont link to JS or CSS files outside my server.
:roll: This sort of paranoia is extremely irritating. You are aware that you can directly dl an external js or css file and view it's contents, right?
This sort of "paranoia" is pretty sensible for anyone who cares what happens to their server/site. People in this community have been known to pull stunts related to this.
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Re: Spring Network

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The "People" you are referring to is actually one single person and his name is "Satirik".

Have I, AF, or any of the spring server admins done anything of the sort? No.

The point is that you NEVER have to link externally. If someone asks you to, simple grab the linked file in question and check it out then upload it locally. It's not rocket science.
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Re: Spring Network

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AF wrote:Can you provide the original source file? A jpeg/png wont provide layers, or vector components, nor will it scale upwards.
I think I deleted it by accident :cry:
AF wrote: Try using Css + sprites to get rid of the need for preloading and javascript
I messed around for ages with that and it worked with Chrome, but not with IE or FF for some reason. That's the primary reason I'm using the Javascript preloader.
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Re: Spring Network

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TradeMark wrote:No thanks, i wont link to JS or CSS files outside my server.

You can use <style> tags for pasting extra CSS in the HTML file.
Huh? The reason I provided the codes is so you don't have to link to external files and so you can just chuck it into your site's existing ones. I'm probably getting a bit confused also.

Oh and a few people and websites gave me the impression that you should keep CSS in an external CSS file as much as possible and try and leave it out of your HTML. I know it could have probably all been done in one script but I find that kind of thing messy.
TradeMark wrote: Edit2: even though i dont prefer mouseover effects on such buttons, you should swap the images, gray when mouseover, or it looks boring when you see gray by default... site should look good by default, not good only when you point stuff there.
Just a simple switch of the image names solves that :P
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Re: Spring Network

Post by TradeMark »

Sorry, i forgot to quote CarRepairer: "All the scripting and styles can link from the Springnetwork site."
thats where replied.

There are few reasons why i dont like to link to external sites for JS or any other files: security, speed, workability (what if the external site doesnt work...). Not to mention that sometimes browser fucks up the CSS file loading and all you see is crap on the site and you have to reload page (no matter what browser).
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Re: Spring Network

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There is no need to link externally though. As long as you have the location of said external file, you can download it yourself, sanitize it, and host it locally.
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Re: Spring Network

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Peet wrote:
This sort of "paranoia" is pretty sensible for anyone who cares what happens to their server/site. People in this community have been known to pull stunts related to this.
Blatant lies, I've never done this on any kind of public facing site, only private pages nobody but myself could see.

If you were unfortunate enough to have invoked the wrath of automated security systems then you have only yourself to blame when viewing stolen goods and finding nasty surprises
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Re: Spring Network

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Anything ever come of this?
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Re: Spring Network

Post by Johannes »

Or ladder website?
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