Curious

[TradeMark]

How do you create life from non-life? Life that knows how to breed and how to develop and evolve can't come from nothing, can it?

• Because the aether is finite and elastic, a "Big Bang" followed by an expansion occurred.
• This explosion produced strong and abundant longitudinal traveling waves.
• The waves created a lot of electrons and positrons.
• Electrons and positrons were attracted together and created a lot of quarks.
• Some quarks joined together and generated neutrons with additional gluonic fields.
• Some neutrons received a positron in their centre and they became protons.
• Protons attracted electrons and produced hydrogen atoms.
• Hydrogen atoms were attracted by gravity and produced stars.
• Those stars joined hydrogen atoms and neutrons and produced deuterium and tritium.
• Then deuterium and tritium atoms joined together and produced helium.
• The stars containing less hydrogen ended their life and exploded as supernovae.
• While exploding, supernovae produced more complicated atoms.
• Those atoms joined and produced a 2nd generation of stars and planets, the Sun and the Earth.
• Atoms became more complex arrays of molecules.
• On Earth, complex molecules became living cells capable of duplicating themselves.
• Some cells joined together in the sea and generated more complex organisms.
• Those organisms had to adapt themselves and evolved according to Darwin.
• Evolved organisms became animals living at the expense of plants or other animals.
• Some animals became aquatic vertebrates.
• Some aquatic vertebrates became fishes.
• Some fishes used their fins in order to survive out of the water and became amphibians.
• Some amphibians did not return to water any more and became reptilians.
• Some reptilians transformed their scales into hairs and became mammals.
• Some mammals evolved in the trees and became primates.
• Some mammal primates developed their brain and became homo sapiens.

[Jazcash]

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[Sucky_Lord]

I'm not backing out because I feel defeated, I'm backing out because I don't feel there's any point to this argument.

You're backing out because you've been publicly humiliated and you've finally come to terms with knowing that you know absolutely nothing about any form of science.

[JohannesH]

Just 1 question; wtf they teach at physics and biology classes in UK, when you're a high school kid (iirc) and don't know even the most basic stuff...

[TradeMark]

Thanks Trade for the above post.

You can read more here:
http://www.glafreniere.com/sa_evolution.htm

Index:
http://www.glafreniere.com/matter.htm

[momfreeek]

Science is very good at converging on accepted theory with the result of clear knowledge that can be built upon. As newton once said:
"If I have seen a little further it is by standing on the shoulders of Giants".

The truth of this knowledge is clear to see in the results (cars and computers work despite the fact that one man could never have invented such a thing in his lifetime without education).

Religion is very different. Rather than converging on accepted knowledge religions are continually diverging and splintering. There is far more disagreement between religions than between religion and science. Jazz: you say you find it hard to understand how life has diverged so much.. how do you explain the diversity of religion??

Stupid texans may have decided to start teaching creationism over evolution, but its clear to me that this will not stick in the long run, it just creates arguments in the short term till sense wins through.

[Wombat]

[tombom]

So you're saying that most Christians believe in evolution? Seriously, one of the core elements of a Christian is the belief of creation.

bullshit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rowan_Williams#Creationism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_e ... ristianity

Evolution contradicts a literalistic interpretation of Genesis; however, according to Roman Catholicism and most contemporary Protestant Churches, biblical literalism in the creation account is not mandatory. Christians have considered allegorical interpretations of Genesis since long before the development of Darwin's theory of evolution, or Hutton's principle of uniformitarianism. A notable example is St. Augustine (4th century), who, on theological grounds, argued that everything in the universe was created by God in the same instant, and not in six days as a plain reading of Genesis would require.[4] Modern theologians such as Meredith G. Kline and Henri Blocher have advocated what has become known as the literary framework interpretation of the days of Genesis.

Most of science can be proved to be true because we can have first hand experience of it. However, the Big Bang and Evolution happened at the very beginning of time, evolution stopping as soon as humans were reached (Coincidence?).

hey they didn't "stop", that's utterly absurd, we can reproduce evolution in a laboratory. the big bang obviously can't be seen directly, but we've made a lot of observations which indicate something very much like it happening

Again, there is scientific proof for such things happening, but there is no actual evidence to prove that they did actually happen. It's science's best guess which can mean it's pretty likely, but is not proved to be 100% true and so shouldn't be depended upon.

I think a lot of science is just "man's best guess" and this is what I was taught by my science teachers and what many great scientists have stated throughout their lives.

You have half understood science. Go away and understand the other half.

Firstly, it's the laws that are to be disregarded as they are old laws. Much in the same way that old laws of Britain are still written on paper, but they are to be ignored because they are not in effect. They still happened, but they are not relevant to the modern world because they are old.

you don't understand laws and things like the common law

Secondly, development of a species is not the same as evolution from one species to another which is what the theory of evolution suggests.

Bullshit only believed by people trying to promote creationism. A species is a nebulous concept - scientists often can't agree on what defines a species. Life is a continuous spectrum of types, not a discontinuous collection of species.

Ok so evolutionists do believe that evolution of species into other species is still happening to this date. Anybody got any evidence of one species evolving into another ever in the history of man? Not footprints or some gheyness which you believe to be 100% true evidence.

Dogs. Some are not capable of interbreeding naturally! I'm sure there are some bacterial examples but nothing I can think of off the top of my head.

Human kind has recorded information since the beginning it's creation.

No they haven't. Although I guess what it depends on what you mean by recorded and creation.

Did evolution happen in genetics and at birth? Or did the changes in the creatures happen whilst they were alive?

read wikipedia

Why is there so much diversity in species? There are hundreds of different types of living thing and so why didn't they all become the same type of thing given so much time?

How did so many different types of life all come from the Big Bang?

jesus christ! did you not do gcse biology? because each species is adapted to a particular niche - it's pretty much impossible for one species to be good at everything. even we aren't.

How do you create life from non-life? Life that knows how to breed and how to develop and evolve can't come from nothing, can it?

life is just a series of chemical reactions. read up about abiogenesis

The Bible is the oldest of the religious books and is the only book which hasn't been disproved by scientists.

the epic of gilgamesh is older i'm sure

But when it comes to things like patterns on a snake's skin I just can't think of something like that being a process of evolution.

camouflage. antural selection. read

Where did it all begin? Did it all start as small micro-organisms which then grew a bit bigger and had sex with each other and found themselves turning into something else? I honestly have no idea what you people believe it all started as and how it developed.

on a very abstract level, this is pretty much how it happened

Just 1 question; wtf they teach at physics and biology classes in UK, when you're a high school kid (iirc) and don't know even the most basic stuff...

how come you get creationists in america even when evolution is taught? people are idiots and although all this is taught - or should be - people ignore it or prefer something else

and well you're a terrible person jazcash. you get confronted with your lack of knowledge even about a religion you're supposedly defending and then you just run off without even trying to educate yourself. shame on you

[Teutooni]

the big bang obviously can't be seen directly

Actually, it can. Portion of background radiation is supposedly originating from the big bang. So in a sense it can be "seen" everywhere in the universe. (as far as the term applies to cosmic scale where light travels billions of years, in this case 13.7ish billion years, to reach us)

[Gota]

Yeah...the regular evidence needed to accept something happened or exists are not enough for the high standards of religious people..

For them to believe something it needs to appear in a book written thousands of years ago and reiterated tons of times.

[TradeMark]

Yeah...the regular evidence needed to accept something happened or exists are not enough for the high standards of religious people..

For them to believe something it needs to appear in the book written thousands of years ago and reiterated tons of times.

Hmm, maybe we should write a book now to be supposedly written by a god, to prevent future retardation?

[Sucky_Lord]

Hmm, maybe we should write a book now to be supposedly written by a god, to prevent future retardation?

Im in.

[PicassoCT]

And in the beginning, there was the Unknown, and in the Unkown, the relativity was broken, at a certain, singular place and time. Everything went Nova, and the Universe, with time, space and supraheated plasma came to be.

It certainly makes moar sense, but somehow i cant imagine it convincing people who are into fairytales. So basically, you want to bugfix humans, by uploading a moar correct form of universeknowledge into a buggy system. If i was askin why spring, installed on my old 386er doesent work, you would hit me over the head, and tell me to buy a new pc. Same goes for here, you wont break even with the best of evidence and arguments through well-fortified defenses and the enlightningrods of doubt, so basically all the options you have is show them the universe while the mindset is still unfixxed.

I can see whole kindergartens travelling to some vulcanic lake, were evolution is speedy and feedin fish to transform there heads. On the other hand, what do we gain by convincing some conservative? Wouldnt it be best if he reproduces for societys sake and keep his head out of the real world, so both sides could benefit? Maybee all we need is some gated ex-comunitys, disconnected from the web.

[PicassoCT]

The Bible is the oldest of the religious books and is the only book which hasn't been disproved by scientists. As I said before, many people have devoted their lives to finding flaws in the Bible and failed, Richard Dawkin's offered a large cash prize for anybody who could factually disprove the Bible.

Christianity is also the largest and oldest religion.

Ahem, the bible copied wild from egyptian texts (were a pharao was a reborn god, so christ was not first) , the commendments in stone are a cheap copy of hamurabis laws written in stones, stop denying that piracy just because that people are no longer around to lawsuit you. Wich they would.

Edit: Jazcash, we should breed and create a new race of supreme trollz. Im so proud of you, you alone bait these dayz into 15 pages without getting the modz out of threadlock trollidays. Marry me.

http://www.thenation.com/article/mind-enlightenment

http://www.slate.com/id/2253754/

[Google_Frog]

Several of the pages here can be partially attributed to a misunderstanding of time-scales. Here is a nifty picture (from wikipedia)showing the history of the earth in clock form. Note how Human aren't actually visible on the chart.

[PicassoCT]

I find that chart insulting to my religious believes, as we humans invented time, by slizing the days the universe provides into smaller pieces. So the day, we humanz built a sunclock, the universe started, everything before is greatly exaggerated myth, with maybee a little core of truth at the very beginning.

Mods delete his chart. Religion, this is how its done, bitches. Just take a human weakness (like pride) and start mining it, a conflict ensues and voila, here i am priest of the Church of Jeezcash. Donations go to the following PayPal account.

[zwzsg]

evolution stopping as soon as humans were reached (Coincidence?).

I don't know where that comes from. It's first time I ever hear that evolution stopped when humans reached. Anybody who isn't an idiot know that evolution still carries on.

Christ, at least according to the bible, was not judged and condemned for being troublesome. The judge refused to judge against him, and effectively just decided to cede to the whims of the religious leaders demanding his head for political reasons.

The problem is that you call "judge" the roman institution (Ponce Pilate), while I call "judges" the jewish institution (Sanhedrin). Because Israel was part of the Roman empire, there were two levels of juridiction.

Firstly, it's the laws that are to be disregarded as they are old laws. Much in the same way that old laws of Britain are still written on paper, but they are to be ignored because they are not in effect. They still happened, but they are not relevant to the modern world because they are old.

Again, you are ignoring the argument of:
- Old Testament is part of the Bible
- Bible is written by God
- God cannot be wrong

If you are telling me God made mistakes and changed his mind, then you ought to be struck by a lightning at once for doubting the omniscience of God!

If you are telling me the Old Testament is not part of the bible, or that Bible is not written by God, then you are disagreeing with the dogmes of christianity.

Why is there no evidence of species evolving today?"

There is. Disease caused by virii and bacteri are getting resistant to antibiotic. This is happening, measurable, mesured, documented, NOW!

Anybody got any evidence of one species evolving into another ever in the history of man?

During industrial revolution in England, as all the trunks were getting blackened by coal fumes, white butterfly became black, so they couldn't be seen when standing on black trunks. Then when the air became clean again, these butterflies became white again to blend on the white anew trunks.

For example, a lot of animals posses beautiful patterns which don't really provide any benefit to their lifestyle.

Most of the time, the benefits is to blend in the environnment. Sometimes, it's to impress the female. There are other reasons as well.

[PicassoCT]

There are even among animals so called social splits - one subspecies goes even for beauty while it is lethal, while another one might depart into boring massproduction- its nature of the species to spread into every direction, as long as it is supported by the enviroment.
If humanity would have delayed the invention of wheel, ship and the taming of the horse for another 5000 years, we might have split into seperate intelligent species, we were really close to that edge, racism is what shows up, when a human beeing genetically travells just by appearance over the edge with what our mirror-neurons can relate. Youve gottag give globalization that, it will get us a pretty mix, instead of a constant genocidical battle between close related aliens.

[Wombat]

/me looking in the air

Plz, make this thread never end, thx.

[Gota]

There are even among animals so called social splits - one subspecies goes even for beauty while it is lethal, while another one might depart into boring massproduction- its nature of the species to spread into every direction, as long as it is supported by the enviroment.
If humanity would have delayed the invention of wheel, ship and the taming of the horse for another 5000 years, we might have split into seperate intelligent species, we were really close to that edge, racism is what shows up, when a human beeing genetically travells just by appearance over the edge with what our mirror-neurons can relate. Youve gottag give globalization that, it will get us a pretty mix, instead of a constant genocidical battle between close related aliens.

Oo...if Africans had a different shaped liver and not black skin than there would be no racism between Europeans and Africans...the difference is just so visual....all people can reproduce with others....we are the same species and have very very little variation.