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[JohannesH]

And you are claiming that what they learn from reading the bible discounts what is learnt from studying the world that god created.

I never claimed that. In fact, all of proved science is just further proof of God's existence. Most Christian scientists use science as a proof for God.

Most of science can be proved to be true because we can have first hand experience of it. However, the Big Bang and Evolution happened at the very beginning of time, evolution stopping as soon as humans were reached (Coincidence?).

Again, there is scientific proof for such things happening, but there is no actual evidence to prove that they did actually happen. It's science's best guess which can mean it's pretty likely, but is not proved to be 100% true and so shouldn't be depended upon.

I think a lot of science is just "man's best guess" and this is what I was taught by my science teachers and what many great scientists have stated throughout their lives.

Yes, scientific method gives good estimates, "best guess" as you said. I can deduce from that, that your guess of relying on Genesis is inferior to the scientifically induced theories.

[Jazcash]

Ok so evolutionists do believe that evolution of species into other species is still happening to this date. Anybody got any evidence of one species evolving into another ever in the history of man? Not footprints or some gheyness which you believe to be 100% true evidence.

If you can say the Bible is not to be taken literally then I say that million year old fossils and footprints aren't reliable evidence to base the evolution of life upon.

[momfreeek]

It has taken millions of years for species to evolve.. thats the idea.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made... (Romans 1:20)

We can clearly see this invisible evolution from the things that exist today.

Creationists didn't even look. Again I call this blasphemy.

[Jazcash]

The Bible is a historically written document where old scholars and scientists have recorded the events of the past. If you're just going to disregard written history just like that then what's the point of recording anything at all?

As generations pass on, descendants lose more and more information of that of their ancestors. That's why people have always written things down and recorded events of their life. In 500 years time, most people won't care about the major events of today or about any wars or historic moments that have happened as the same way we look back on historic events.

What are we to state of the past when we ignore all the documentation that was written about it at that time?

If nobody had ever written anything down then your Big Bang theory and scientific evolution wouldn't even be considered, let alone creation and the concept of God.

[momfreeek]

The Bible is a historically written document where old scholars and scientists have recorded the events of the past. If you're just going to disregard written history just like that then what's the point of recording anything at all?

Wtf has that got to do with evolution? My whole point is that there is nothing in the bible to discount it except genesis. Genesis was clearly not an event recorded by man's eyes . And you yourself are happy to discount the old testament.

Written history is obviously important, but it is also obviously fallible (possibly false).

[JohannesH]

Genesis is a historical document of the creation of this world


Though every other ethnic group has their own take on this event, but many decide to trust the jewish version as the best for some reason.

[Jazcash]

It has taken millions of years for species to evolve.. thats the idea.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made... (Romans 1:20)

We can clearly see this invisible evolution from the things that exist today.

Creationists didn't even look. Again I call this blasphemy.

Human kind has recorded information since the beginning it's creation. I stated that as soon as the stage of evolution into human was reached, evolution stopped. I say this because no human has ever recorded proof of evolution in their current era. I suppose you could counteract that by saying "That's because a human life time is no where near long enough to witness actual evolution". Fair enough, but surely since the beginning of humans to this day, there would be some record of one species that has changed over time?

Regardless, I have my own questions which I hope you will be able to answer as I have answered a lot of yours.

Why is there so much diversity in species? There are hundreds of different types of living thing and so why didn't they all become the same type of thing given so much time?

How did so many different types of life all come from the Big Bang?

Did evolution happen in genetics and at birth? Or did the changes in the creatures happen whilst they were alive?

How do you create life from non-life? Life that knows how to breed and how to develop and evolve can't come from nothing, can it?

[Jazcash]

Genesis is a historical document of the creation of this world


Though every other ethnic group has their own take on this event, but many decide to trust the jewish version as the best for some reason.

The Bible is the oldest of the religious books and is the only book which hasn't been disproved by scientists. As I said before, many people have devoted their lives to finding flaws in the Bible and failed, Richard Dawkin's offered a large cash prize for anybody who could factually disprove the Bible.

Christianity is also the largest and oldest religion.

The Bible is a historically written document where old scholars and scientists have recorded the events of the past. If you're just going to disregard written history just like that then what's the point of recording anything at all?

Wtf has that got to do with evolution? My whole point is that there is nothing in the bible to discount it except genesis. Genesis was clearly not an event recorded by man's eyes . And you yourself are happy to discount the old testament.

Written history is obviously important, but it is also obviously fallible (possibly false).

Read the post above yours. And the many posts in this thread about the Old Testament.

[Sucky_Lord]

Evolution happened at the very beginning of time, evolution stopping as soon as humans were reached (Coincidence?).

You literally know nothing. Go play a more simplistic game with simplistic people.

And you condemn the Old Testament for being old and therefore not relevant, yet the New Testament is 2000 years old!

The old testament was written between 1450-480 BC, the new testament 2000 years ago.
I know you know nothing of astrology, physics, statistics, or biology, but i hope you can see that the old and new testaments are more closely related than the new testament and today

[Sucky_Lord]

The Bible is the oldest of the religious books and is the only book which hasn't been disproved by scientists. As I said before, many people have devoted their lives to finding flaws in the Bible and failed, Richard Dawkin's offered a large cash prize for anybody who could factually disprove the Bible.

Christianity is also the largest and oldest religion.

What in the hell?! You're just making things up now :')

Christianity the oldest religion?
Bible the oldest religious book?

Richard Dawkins did that to prove that christianity is a pathetic religion that cant be disproved, not to prove it.

[Jazcash]

i hope you can see that the old and new testaments are more closely related than the new testament and today

And I suppose you've read it have you? No? Then shutup.

[TradeMark]

but surely since the beginning of humans to this day, there would be some record of one species that has changed over time?

Dogs, look at dogs.

Now shut up and go do some science.

And stop spamming.

[Jazcash]

Richard Dawkins did that to prove that christianity is a

religion that cant be disproved

See, I can do it too!

[Jazcash]

but surely since the beginning of humans to this day, there would be some record of one species that has changed over time?

Dogs, look at dogs.

Now shut up and go do some science.

Nice edit there. And I'm looking dogs right now. What is it about these dogs you find so revealing? Dogs are all of the dog species, what's your point?

[TradeMark]

Cats, look at cats.

Now shut up and go do some science.

And stop spamming.

[momfreeek]

Human kind has recorded information since the beginning it's creation. I stated that as soon as the stage of evolution into human was reached, evolution stopped. I say this because no human has ever recorded proof of evolution in their current era. I suppose you could counteract that by saying "That's because a human life time is no where near long enough to witness actual evolution". Fair enough, but surely since the beginning of humans to this day, there would be some record of one species that has changed over time?

New species are discovered all the time.. but how can you say when they evolved if you didn't have a full catalogue of species before that discovery? Don't pretend that someone 1000 years ago could have identified a species, nevermind identifying when it evolved. They had no idea of the theory so how were they supposed to record the event even if they could identify such things?

Why is there so much diversity in species? There are hundreds of different types of living thing and so why didn't they all become the same type of thing given so much time?

Evolution is divergent.. it expands in random directions and those that happen to work, stick.

How did so many different types of life all come from the Big Bang?

You see it as "many different types of life". I call it one type of life. All the life on this earth is based on hydrocarbon chains and DNA. The existing diversity we see is an incredibly miniscule part of all the potential diversity.

Did evolution happen in genetics and at birth? Or did the changes in the creatures happen whilst they were alive?

It is only the mutation of DNA that leads to evolution. Almost all changes to your body in life have no effect on the result of reproduction.

How do you create life from non-life? Life that knows how to breed and how to develop and evolve can't come from nothing, can it?

A plant knows nothing yet it lives. One incredibly unlikely event is not a coincidence. But remember, I am not arguing against the idea that god created life. I am asking why god could not create evolution.

[JohannesH]

It has taken millions of years for species to evolve.. thats the idea.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made... (Romans 1:20)

We can clearly see this invisible evolution from the things that exist today.

Creationists didn't even look. Again I call this blasphemy.

Human kind has recorded information since the beginning it's creation. I stated that as soon as the stage of evolution into human was reached, evolution stopped. I say this because no human has ever recorded proof of evolution in their current era. I suppose you could counteract that by saying "That's because a human life time is no where near long enough to witness actual evolution". Fair enough, but surely since the beginning of humans to this day, there would be some record of one species that has changed over time?

Regardless, I have my own questions which I hope you will be able to answer as I have answered a lot of yours.

Why is there so much diversity in species? There are hundreds of different types of living thing and so why didn't they all become the same type of thing given so much time?

How did so many different types of life all come from the Big Bang?

Did evolution happen in genetics and at birth? Or did the changes in the creatures happen whilst they were alive?

How do you create life from non-life? Life that knows how to breed and how to develop and evolve can't come from nothing, can it?

And I suppose you've read your high school books on biology? No? Then shutup.

[Jazcash]

And I suppose you've read your high school books on biology? No? Then shutup.

You can't answer my questions? Then you shutup too.

[Sucky_Lord]

Nice edit there. And I'm looking dogs right now. What is it about these dogs you find so revealing? Dogs are all of the dog species, what's your point?

All dogs have evolved differently depending on their environment.

You know nothing about the world around you and think that mis-quoting people and being aggressive will somehow prove your delusions to be correct.

[Jazcash]

Nice edit there. And I'm looking dogs right now. What is it about these dogs you find so revealing? Dogs are all of the dog species, what's your point?

All dogs have evolved differently depending on their environment.

You know nothing about the world around you and think that mis-quoting people and being aggressive will somehow prove your delusions to be correct.

There's too many animals out there with no resemblance to their natural habitat to suggest that. For example, a lot of animals posses beautiful patterns which don't really provide any benefit to their lifestyle. Not to mention, how can such things evolve in a way they desire? I can understand things like birds losing the ability to fly or bears developing thick furry coats in cold environments. But when it comes to things like patterns on a snake's skin I just can't think of something like that being a process of evolution.

Another quesition:

Where did it all begin? Did it all start as small micro-organisms which then grew a bit bigger and had sex with each other and found themselves turning into something else? I honestly have no idea what you people believe it all started as and how it developed.

You know nothing about the world around you and think that mis-quoting people and being aggressive will somehow prove your delusions to be correct.

That's exactly what I implied towards you and you seemed to have taken it to heart.