New missile movement type.

[==Troy==]

It would be nice to have a more realistic missile behaviour in game, where the missile first detaches from the plane, and then starts ignition.

Lua-wise it would be just a timer with default 0.

The behaviour is such that :

1) missile launched, behaves as a bomb, still virtually tracking the position of the target. Timer is running
2) Timer expired
3) Ignition started, the missiles starts to accelerate towards the target with given parameters.


This is necessary for the mods (such as blood and steel) that aim at more realistic missile behaviour, while I could not find a good way to do this in lua.

[manolo_]

It would be nice to have a more realistic missile behaviour in game, where the missile first detaches from the plane, and then starts ignition.

Lua-wise it would be just a timer with default 0.

The behaviour is such that :

1) missile launched, behaves as a bomb, still virtually tracking the position of the target. Timer is running
2) Timer expired
3) Ignition started, the missiles starts to accelerate towards the target with given parameters.


This is necessary for the mods (such as blood and steel) that aim at more realistic missile behaviour, while I could not find a good way to do this in lua.

nice idea

[Das Bruce]

If you are the first person to respond to a thread, you do not have to quote the entire post if you only want to say, "Nice idea". I'm sure we'll figure out what you were refering to.

That being said, how much lua control do we have over projectiles at the moment? Last I heard it was minimal at best, but that was a while back.

[manolo_]

If you are the first person to respond to a thread, you do not have to quote the entire post if you only want to say, "Nice idea". I'm sure we'll figure out what you were refering to.

That being said, how much lua control do we have over projectiles at the moment? Last I heard it was minimal at best, but that was a while back.

YOU r right epilepsyparty

[==Troy==]

On top of that several other improvements :

1) Allow to specify starting velocity of the "ejection", i.e. missile is poped up
2) Allow to specify initial rotation speed (with random values possible)
3) Allow to let the missile TRACK the target while the ignition has not started (i.e. it popped up, turned to target, then ignites)
3*) Allow the missile to have a flag for a conditional ignition (i.e. turned to target)


Uses? Multiple, huge improvements for visuals, and huge improvements for the sophistication of the games, vertical missile launchers which pop out the missile, let it turn to target first, and then accelerate towards it, planes having actually real missiles, not rocket pods, BA raven having its missiles "spring" into the air, and then ignite, actually giving a reason for its tremendous innacuracy, etc etc etc.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDDxq-3UTZE&feature=fvst

[Google_Frog]

Have you messed around with StarbustLauncher to see if you can achieve the desired behaviour?

[KDR_11k]

Have you messed around with StarbustLauncher to see if you can achieve the desired behaviour?

The StarBurst will still emit smoke and accelerate immediately

[luckywaldo7]

Wouldn't it be do-able in the unit script? You could have the missile dropping as part of the animation, and then when it "ignites" it is hidden and replaced with the actual projectile.

[KDR_11k]

That wouldn't work terribly well, if the unit turns while launching that it looks silly, if the unit gets killed it doesn't fire and if the unit decides not to shoot for some reason the dropped missile just disappears.

[==Troy==]

You also do not get all of the other options which I described, such as ability to specify a random angular moment of the missile, and conditionals for the ignition.

And no Google, as KDR already said, that doesnt work. there is no good way to simulate what I am asking with already available tools.

[KaiserJ]

fff that would look so cool

[Master-Athmos]

Didn't we get some Lua functions which could blow a projectile and fire a new weapon from that position some while ago? If you can pass on the target it would work this way. Make the unit fire its weapon, destroy the projectile after a couple of seconds, fire the new weapon from the projectile's destination. Should work...

[Argh]

We can't create new weaponprojectiles atm, unless something new has been added. It's one of the big annoyances. We could do Troy's request and a whole bunch of other things if this wasn't the case.

[Fri13]

That wouldn't work terribly well, if the unit turns while launching that it looks silly, if the unit gets killed it doesn't fire and if the unit decides not to shoot for some reason the dropped missile just disappears.

So the real life looks silly and does not work so well?

The missiles, as any of the ammos, should stay alive after the fire when the unit gets killed. And if unit shoots and then turns, the rocket should go to that direction where it was shooted. When it is a missile, it would be independent totally.

And if unit decides not to shoot, then it would not shoot at all and missile would not be fired.

The real life is such that missiles/rockets gets dropped first or has small boost with other way, after the launch (under few seconds) the missile/rocket own engine will fire. If it is a missile, it will start own burner and then aim to the target and start flying.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDDxq-3UTZE (the tank has filled with explosives)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqUb23XCTCY

On fighters the thing is different, they just drop the missile and it starts flying almost instantly. It is just something what is not so different from current missiles. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmnC2r8fRz8 (if you are wondering why the F-22 makes 180 degree turn before launching, it is for giving a clear a radar pinpoint for ground radars (F-22 is not invisible for radar) so it is harder to find (after it is easier to track). And when it comes heavier missiles (cruise missiles etc), there is longer time until the missile own engine is started.

The rocket launching is different depending the weapon, many times when it is possible, they are launched with their own engines. Usually this means they are shooted from the tube where no one is behind it.

[==Troy==]

I think you need to re-read KDR's post and what it was applied to.

[Forboding Angel]

So the real life looks silly and does not work so well?

The missiles, as any of the ammos, should stay alive after the fire when the unit gets killed. And if unit shoots and then turns, the rocket should go to that direction where it was shooted. When it is a missile, it would be independent totally.

Learn what you are taking about before typing plox. The suggestion was to do it via script. If done from a script the dropped missile is part of the unit model, not independent of it.

In order to do this properly, we need engine support for it.

[Fri13]

Learn what you are taking about before typing plox.

I already noticed that post what I quoted was not for original post. But you should not be so negative right away!
Just check out the post itself and maybe you understand as well the possibility for mistake.

The suggestion was to do it via script.

Yes it was. But maybe people should start quoting more the people/parts what/who they are commenting. It is not even enough that if the writers message is just after the post what writer is commenting.

[KDR_11k]

So you can't tell I'm responding to the post right before mine without a quote?

EDIT: Tried to use Lua to force the projectile to stay slow until a timer expires, doesn't work. Missiles don't care about SetProjectileVelocity.

[Argh]

Missiles don't care about SetProjectileVelocity

No. Only Piece projectiles were affected by that change.

[KDR_11k]

Sounds like something that needs patching. After all that's what we have OOP polymorphy for.