TAS Client Skin

[triton]

Textures! :D

[very_bad_soldier]

Please make TASClient work without admin rights. When this happens spring's complete toolchain (at least what I use: TasClient, SD, spring) is able to work in user space.

[manolo_]

the scroll bars should be also in a different color (if possible, i dont want to change it in windows)

[Neddie]

There aren't many popular dark skins for applications because people are conditioned to use light skins with dark text and for some reason believe this to be better for vision and/or easier to process - which perhaps it is in an environment of reflected and abundant light, i.e. on paper. At least, the standard/bias derives from print media standards long predating the personal computer. Your monitor is dependent upon projected or generated light, which is a whole other beast, and as far as I know, insufficiently studied.

I usually prefer light on dark themes.

I don't think TASClient is getting a subforum. No lobby developer, Satirik or otherwise, approved of the idea and while it is up to my discretion I'm not going to create another subforum connected to TA.

[AF]

Research shows that dark text on light backgrounds encourages community in the context displayed, it looks cleaner also, and also makes it easier for subtle highlighting and other visual cues.

Whereas on a dark background with white text, the text is visible, however any attempt to differentiate areas of text has much less flexibility unless you introduce other colours, and there arent as many colour schemes that work well at low luminosity without delving into areas of personal taste.

e.g. dark yellows are nice to some people yet abhorrent to others.

White text also draws attention and distracts from other components. It also increases eye strain and harder on the eyes, especially with people who don't have perfect eyesight.

[Neddie]

It also increases eye strain and harder on the eyes, especially with people who don't have perfect eyesight.

Nothing shows that, in fact, recent research shows that an off-white on a dark background is preferred by and better for those with slightly less than perfect sight.

[hoijui]

i prefer to use light green fore- on dark green background. first of all, cause i like green, and cause i heard that the human eye is best in differentiating greens, due to green being the most dominant color in the wilderness/plants.

[CarRepairer]

No lobby developer, Satirik or otherwise, approved of the idea

I approve.

and while it is up to my discretion I'm not going to create another subforum connected to TA.

What do lobby clients have to do with TA?

[MidKnight]

and while it is up to my discretion I'm not going to create another subforum connected to TA.

What do lobby clients have to do with TA?

First two letters of Satirik's lobby.

[Neddie]

No lobby developer, Satirik or otherwise, approved of the idea

I approve.

Goodness gracious, I forgot that you, me, AF, even JAZ and Sefi are all technically lobby developers or contributors! Let me rephrase - No affected lobby developer (Koshi, BD and Satirik) approved, and if they're not going to approve they're unlikely to use the subforums, which makes them deadweight.

[Jazcash]

Goodness gracious, I forgot that you, me, AF, even JAZ and Sefi are all technically lobby developers or contributors! Let me rephrase - No affected lobby developer (Koshi, BD and Satirik) approved, and if they're not going to approve they're unlikely to use the subforums, which makes them deadweight.

I don't get what the big deal is. They're just subforums, it's not like they have to monitor them or anything. The only reason I want them is because the Game Lobby forum is just a trash pile for anything to do with any lobby. Things like tourny's, clans, and all the crap go in there as well.

Most of the Game Lobby forum is just a bunch of bug reports for SL and TAS Client. Koshi was against SL getting its own sub forum because it would create more bug reports? Firstly, no it wouldn't. Secondly, so what if it did? It doesn't mean you have to read through any of them.

Seriously, the only reason I want the lobbies to have their own subforums is simply for organization. Nothing more.

Having a subforum isn't usually for individuals or particular developers as many people here seem to be thinking. They're for organization and keeping threads in the right place so people can find what they're looking for easily.

Reasons for Subforums:

• Organization
  - Stops tournament games and other game lobby related topics getting piled on by lobby bug report threads and going to the bottom of the boards.
  - Makes it easier to find related threads
• Gives each lobby dev their own subforum where they can create stickies for guides, FAQ, downloads, addons and whatnot for their lobby.

Reasons against Subforums:

[KaiserJ]

my guess jaz is that the lobby sub forums would slowly fill up with complains and foolish requests which eventually would reduce even the most jaded and stoic lobby developer to tears, while producing nothing of value

at least in gamelobby, the complaints about lobbies are mixed in with other things so that it's not just a cascade of crap

[Neddie]

Reasons For Subforums

• Cleaning out existing general subforums.
• Collecting and organizing threads on a major specific subject.

Reasons Not To Make Subforums

• Distraction from existing bug report tools.
• Will not be used by developers.
• Forum navigation bloat. (SL, SC, QT, Sefi, AF, Uber?)

I still welcome more input.

[Jazcash]

• Distraction from existing bug report tools.

Surely no more distraction than there already is? There's already loads of people reporting their bugs in the Game Lobby section for the lobbies. The reason they continue is because people keep helping them out, whether they be devs or not. People help other people if they can, usually on a forum it gets solved quicker than filing a bug report and waiting for a dev to answer it.

Not to mention the fact that a lot of bugs filed are probably just small minor issues that anybody who's been here for more than a year can fix. People shouldn't have to be filing bug reports and waiting ages for a response to fix minor issues.

• Will not be used by developers.

So what? They can use it if they want, most people wouldn't care either way. I made a game once, I've never used it. Therefore there is no point in it existing?

• Forum navigation bloat. (SL, SC, QT, Sefi, AF, Uber?)

You're the one giving every Tom, Dick and harry their own game project subforum. The subforums that are added, the more organized it gets. Better than having bunches of random topics sinking each other to the bottom of the board.

[Neddie]

I'll grant you the first point, as any increase would be marginal. However, the existential value argument isn't going to fly on the second. The game example isn't even an effective analogy; the game exists, and in the process of creating it you would have gained something. If the developers do not use the forum then they don't maintain it, and if they don't maintain the forum it just becomes another jumble of topics. This connects to the third point; I create only some of the sub-forums people request, mostly on the basis of visible content and with the assurance that they will be maintained to some extent. I'm making boxes for people to organize different things inside, not to simply shove a pile of disorganized objects into them.

[Forboding Angel]

Having bug reports for *A mods in mods and games forum is very annoying imo.

Generally when I'm going through that forum it's to help someone or looking for an old topic and having to weed through the *A bug reports is time consuming and irritating.

@tasc, looks like win as long as there is also a lighter color scheme. White on black is painful for me to read, but the skin itself looks really nice.

[AF]

I take grievous offence at the suggestion by neddiedrow that I AF, creator of dozens of bots, miniclients, and the glorious AFLobby/Battlehub, should not be considered a lobby developer!

[Jazcash]

Well then if you won't sort SL and TASC topics out, perhaps create a section for other Game Lobby events such as Tournaments or maybe create a Clan Match section where players could organize proper clan games? I'd be quite happy to maintain either of those subforums and certainly keep them active...

[ScarySquirrel]

*Note: Did not read thread.*
WEWT TASClient is BACK!

[Neddie]

Moved to new Lobby Clients subforum. I am moving topics over but will probably stop after three or four pages since I need to move them manually.