Bad Moon - 6 Song Demo

[Forboding Angel]

Do or Die - by Bad Moon
http://www.bad-moon.com/music/Bad%20Moo ... %20Die.mp3

Lead Vocals: Cory
Backup Vocals: Me
Left guitar: Me
Right Guitar: Mike
Bass: Shawn
Solo: Mike

Ghost of the Sun - by Bad Moon
http://www.bad-moon.com/music/Bad%20Moo ... %20Sun.mp3

Lead Vocals: Cory
Backup Vocals: Cory backing up himself
Left guitar: Me
Right Guitar: Mike
Bass: Shawn

Have you ever seen the rain? - by CCR Creedence Clearwater Revival - remake/cover
http://www.bad-moon.com/music/Bad%20Moo ... 20rain.mp3

Lead Vocals: Cory
Backup Vocals: Me
Left guitar: Me
Right Guitar: Mike
Bass: Shawn

Let it Go - by Bad Moon
http://www.bad-moon.com/music/Bad%20Moo ... t%20Go.mp3

Lead Vocals: Cory
Backup Vocals: Me
Left guitar: Me
Right Guitar: Mike
Bass: Shawn
Solo: Me

Can't you see? - by The Marshall Tucker Band remake/cover
http://www.bad-moon.com/music/Bad%20Moo ... %20see.mp3

Lead Vocals: Cory
Backup Vocals: Cory backing up himself
Left guitar: Me
Right Guitar: Mike
Bass: Shawn

Walk On - by Bad Moon
http://www.bad-moon.com/music/Bad%20Moo ... k%20on.mp3

Lead Vocals: Cory
Backup Vocals: Me
Left guitar: Me
Right Guitar: Mike
Bass: Shawn

*Disclaimer*
This technically isn't release ready, the mixes aren't final and there are some funky vocal spots (only a few throughout all the songs), but I'm tired of waiting and I thought some of you might like it. These songs are licensed under the Creative Commons Share-Alike, No Derivatives, Non-Commercial License as well as they are copyrighted by Bad Moon with some publisher (Can't remember the name to save my ass), so they are free to download and share with friends etc etc etc, we will never charge for our music without providing a free alternative (for example selling tracks on iTunes but having them available for free download on our website).

**Exceptions are the Remakes/Covers as the copyrights are retained by the original artists.

Hope you like them Like I said, I know there are some rough spots in a couple songs vocally (believe me we know about them ;p) but all in all it's good stuff. And hey, free music is free music amirite?

If you hate our singer, that's a-ok, cause his ass just got fired tonight. Sick up putting up with his amateur ass and him throwing his 6th bitch-fit/my pussy hurts routine and leaving made it pretty easy

If you happen to be in the Kansas City, United States area and are a singer, let me know, cause we're looking.

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[Das Bruce]

Groovy

[Panda]

It sounds alright. I don't like the vocals very much. The singer sounds kind of tired in some of the songs and his accent makes him sound off key at a couple of spots "Have You Ever Seen the Rain".

[Regret]

Would be awesome if you could record the music without any vocals. Like the rhythm.

Also your logo reminds me of DooM for some reason.

[Panda]

The background music is good. The lyrics seem somewhat soft to me, but that's just my opinion. A lot of people like that kind of thing.

[Forboding Angel]

It sounds alright. I don't like the vocals very much. The singer sounds kind of tired in some of the songs and his accent makes him sound off key at a couple of spots "Have You Ever Seen the Rain".

TBH I sorta expected that type of response, and it's fair. As I said the vocals are pretty rough in spots. Cory is an amateur and moreover he's got a big inferiority complex when it comes to singing with no music. If you're in a band, several red flags just started flying.

That's not his accent talking... That's just plain him being off tune. That said, there weren't many spots throughout all 6 songs where I cringed at the vocals, which is why I decided that I could stick them up here. Shit's not perfect, but it's no bad. As a small band with no label and financial backing to speak of, you could easily chase the perfect recording for a decade and still not have what you want. Sucks, but it is the truth.

What makes it tough for me is that I hear every single flaw, which makes me really hard to please. If something is a little off but not too bad I can let it fly tho, because of the reason I mentioned above.

However, we do put on a killer live show (and for whatever reason I've never heard cory go off key in a live show, and I'll bet it's cause he's pumped and his confidence is at an all time high... if only we could harness that in recording).

Sigh, band drama, ya gotta love it

[Forboding Angel]

Would be awesome if you could record the music without any vocals. Like the rhythm.

Also your logo reminds me of DooM for some reason.

Actually if you like I can do that. Shawn is supposed to be making me a mix without any vocals, so if you want I'll post it up. Would be kinda fun to give some of the singers here on the forums the lyrics and have you guys record via computer mic or whatever. Not expecting studio quality thru a 2 dollar desktop boom mic, but I think it could be a lot of fun.

What do you guys think?

Edit: haha yeah, actually the logo is supposed to be on a black background, but I didn't have the presence of mind to post the right logo and when I realized it I decided fuckit lol.

Edit:

http://springrts.com/phpbb/posting.php? ... 2&p=419662

If you would, have a listen to Walk On or Let it Go and see if that is less soft (just trying to get an exact feel by when you say "soft ).

[SinbadEV]

Do or Die was awesome and my daughter (under 2) loved and thrashed to it like a good little punk... probably call that one your single cause the others just didn't pop

I'd love to try my version of vocals

[Forboding Angel]

Hehe glad you (and she) liked it

Tbh in live shows the songs people always are wanting to hear are Do or Die, Rain, and Walk On.

One thing I did notice was that the recordings do a crappy job of capturing the energy, which is a damn shame, but I don't have the slightest idea what would need to happen for it to be adequately captured.

I'll post voxless songs as soon as I get them

[Panda]

If you would, have a listen to Walk On or Let it Go and see if that is less soft (just trying to get an exact feel by when you say "soft ).

I listened to the songs.

I think it's the pacing that has an influence on it.

Example of not Soft:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fi_GN1pHCVc

In "Walk On" the singer sounds like he's arguing back and forth at one part of that song (in a boring way) because he's not raising his soft palate enough while exhaling the lyrics. He probably needs to relax his jaw too. That'll keep his singing from sounding restricted.

In "Let it Go" the singer's voice again sounds restricted as if he's not breathing properly while singing. That may be causing him to tire easily. I don't really like "Let it Go" as much as some of the other songs either.

[Panda]

Hehe glad you (and she) liked it

Tbh in live shows the songs people always are wanting to hear are Do or Die, Rain, and Walk On.

One thing I did notice was that the recordings do a crappy job of capturing the energy, which is a damn shame, but I don't have the slightest idea what would need to happen for it to be adequately captured.

I'll post voxless songs as soon as I get them

Yes, it would be good if the recordings would capture the energy better.

I would like to hear SinbadEV sing some songs too.

[knorke]

listened to do or die, ghost of the sun, let it go.
not bad. some oO moments but all in all its good.
imo its not worth putting too much effort into a well produced studio record, because honestly how many people will listen to it? like not on myspace but on a stereo.
with good concerts you can probally "reach" more people with the music.
i think if you had played in germany this evening, i wouldnt be playing spring now.

[Forboding Angel]

Ok, jsut checking panda, we're on the same page. Heh, you know the funny thing? He does that gritty voice thing in practice and at shows and manages to sound really good (which is a lot of praise considering that I am silently very critical of his singing), but in recording he was trying to do it and to me and mike it sounded forced which made it sound like ass (off tune and all over the place... Why can't he fricking sing on tune when no one else is playing? That shit is depressing.), so we told him (in other words strongarmed him) into singing them "straight".

And well... he's "mostly" on tune. In my book that's progress.

His whole problem though is his extreme lack of self confidence. It shows in a huge way too. If I can manage to grab one I'll post a vid of us playing live (and not playing the song WAAAAY TOO GODDAMN FAST OMGOGMOGMG CRACKWHORES COKE GOTTA GETSOMEMOREFUCKINGCOKEOMGOMGOMGWTF...). There is a story behind what I just wrote ;p

Turns out I'm going to another band's show tonight and jake mike and shawn will be there, so I'll needle shawn to give me voxless stuffage

Edit: Thats really nice of you to say knorke, thanks! And also, I agree. We're doing this to have fun and play some good music. If we were trying to be rockstars or get rich then I can see holing up in a studio for a month, but lets face it. Studios are boring as shit, you never get exactly what you want out of them, and it's like paying a hooker for sex and getting no happy ending but you still got fucked.

Edit2: It's worth noting that live and in practice he rarely ever sings anyhting off tune. It's only when he's being recorded and that's why this whole thing has been so frustrating.

[Argh]

Cory is an amateur and moreover he's got a big inferiority complex when it comes to singing with no music.

Didn't you give him a feed from the DAT to his headphones so he could stay in tune / time with the instrumentals? I've never done anything in a studio before, but that's how all the bands I've known / been a part of did that stuff. Not that I know a lot, I was just in screw-around outfits

Here, this'll make you feel better- listen the last crappy band I was in, making our "awesome" recordings in a concrete room with a cruddy four-track:

http://www.wolfegames.com/TA_Section/DogsOfWar2.mp3
http://www.wolfegames.com/TA_Section/TheSquare2.mp3
http://www.wolfegames.com/TA_Section/CarrotSong.mp3

So, it could be worse, lol.

Although... I must say... he's really bad on 'Walk On'. I couldn't listen to that past your intro, which was great. The band feels like it's really tight otherwise, you guys clearly know your material left, right and backwards. Then he comes in, and I'm like, "wait, wut".

Part of it's the lack of any reverb- it means his tones aren't blending at the tails cleanly. You can't hear that as well, live, but it really shows on a recording.

But the real killer is what happens to his voice when he reaches low (I forced myself to listen to 'Walk On' again long enough to determine what went wrong). He doesn't have enough real range (or diaphragm control) to pull it off, and ends up sounding like a twerp- not exactly the image a metal band wants to project

Have you thought about getting a female vocalist? I almost think the material would work better with a higher range (mezzo or alto, not soprano, somebody with a genuine 3-octave range if possible), unless you can find somebody who can actually pull off deep back-of-throat growl tones night after night, without destroying their pipes. Just a random thought there. Female vocalists who're halfway decent are easier to get, too (in my limited experience).

[Forboding Angel]

Heh, yeah he had a feed... He had more than most people get in a massive big shit studio, but, no one was playing, and everyone was watching him.

I can't tell you how frustrating it is. I bet you a million dollars that if you guys heard us live you would think he is awesome (It's exactly what I would think if I saw us live), but the moment the record button get hit it's like hit suckometer shoots sky high. Bad note, falling off at the end of a note (my personal pet peeve, he does it CONSTANTLY in walk on), etc. Sigh.

But what it comes down to is the fact that he is absolutely kick ass live, and considering that we aren't going to be recording artists anytime soon (like I said, we jsut want to have fun), it's not that big of a deal. However, honestly, sometimes I was to be able to get in my own car and listen to our shit and not fucking cringe when I hear cory go off key.

Funny you mention a female, because that's exactly what we were looking for when cory showed up. We were auditioning 2 and a third never showed up and au contraire, they are damn near impossible to find in my area. The first was ok, but when pushed to do a big vocal line didn't have the chops for it. The second chick that showed up had a faint but visible mustache and 100 pounds to much. Sorry kids, but when you have a female on stage, APPEARANCE matters!

The third was stupidly hot and had an incredible voice, plus she played electric violin and you can bet your ass we would have written in parts for that, however, after the 3rd no show we just stopped calling her (even though she still talks to me on facebook for some odd reason... even weirder, she talks like we're long lost buddies and I can assure you, we aren't.).

One thing to mention, we play in the key of C, which is a Bitch to sing in, you need serious pipes and serious range to even be able to pull it off. Cory is the first we auditioned that had the chops, even if he is inexperienced.

Turns out we're giving him another chance provided that he learns from us and stops getting defensive (ffs we're trying to help his dumb ass!) and throwing a bitch fit. Next time he does, he can grab his shit and get the fuck out. Don't bother calling, consider that he jsut fired himself at that point.

It's freaking dumb, here we are, I've been playing and singing since I was like 6, I can play 9 instruments, ahve 5+ years of vocal coaching. Our bass player is 3x as qualified as I am, considering that like me he studied theory for x amount of years ans has a looooot of schooling in the field of music (like I do, but he's got 20 years on me, so you can imagine that he has 2 - 3x as much experience as I do).

Much the same for our drummer and the other guitar player. This ain't our first rodeo, and we aren't exactly new to this shit. Well I guess we'll see what happens.

P.S. Sorry for the rambling and bitching. I just got back from watching a friend's band play and am more than a little drunk. Stir fry and a movie is calling my name

[Argh]

Heh, yeah he had a feed... He had more than most people get in a massive big shit studio, but, no one was playing, and everyone was watching him.

Hmm.

A couple of things occurred to me:

1. When he was recording, maybe his feed was too loud or soft to clearly hear himself in context. That can really screw up a vocalist- bad balance, either too loud or too soft, can ruin their sense of where pitch is, especially if they're not really trained. Remember, he's probably only used to hearing himself through the monitor on your P.A. Good singing is almost as much about hearing as it is singing, imo.

One thought on that: encourage him to hum a bit or something during the lead-in, to find the pitch. Sounds dumb, but you can remove that in post, and it'd make things 100% easier for him.

2. One thing that we used to do, when recording, was to screw around a certain amount between vocal takes and keep things loose. I had a deal with the band, where they had to tell me a joke between takes.

It never really helps if people feel like they're taking a test or whatever, and maybe Cory's problem is that when he's practicing or performing, he feels comfortable, but when recording, he feels like he's under a lot more pressure. Some people don't give a shit, of course, but it can really affect other folks.

I know... lead man in a band, can't deal with a critical audience? Sounds ridiculous, but it's a contextual thing. Live audience- the lead man's doing the job, the crowd's mainly strangers, it's performance, and the band's a unit, acting as a unit. A studio's a very different environment.

Another thing that occurs to me is that you can record vocals outside a studio pretty well, these days. A directional mic and a room that's not producing a lot of echoes should be all right, given a little touchup in post. If you guys are mainly doing this for your demo, and you're not aiming for anything past bar gigs yet, Cory singing in anything short of a shower stall on enough takes to clean up the errors should be fine, given what you can do in post these days.

[Panda]

The third was stupidly hot and had an incredible voice, plus she played electric violin and you can bet your ass we would have written in parts for that, however, after the 3rd no show we just stopped calling her (even though she still talks to me on facebook for some odd reason... even weirder, she talks like we're long lost buddies and I can assure you, we aren't.).

Some people just like to chat a lot. She doesn't tell you whether or not she farted or anything like that does she?

[pintle]

You guys are pretty good :) The sound is a bit "crunchy" (think peavy's flavour of overdrive) for my taste, but thats purely an aesthetic thing, and you are clearly in control of your sound, and know what you like.

Extra kudos for the CC license, keep it up! :D

[Sausage]

lern d+b and dubstep, rock is old

also, fix ur singer

[SinbadEV]

I JUST REALIZED YOU NEED TO COVER CCR's BAD MOON RISING BECAUSE IT WOULD BE SEMI-IRONICALLY AWESOME... YOU KNOW BECAUSE OF YOUR BAND'S NAME!!