*image removed due to penis*
just a bit of background...
im not sure about the amount of circulation, but vice magazine has been around since the mid 1990s, they started in montreal as a zine covering local and indy artists and musicians, then switched to more serious and relevant topics after moving their home base to NYC.
i suppose as the money gained money and popularity, they were able to send correspondents further afield, and buy them cameras. i remember seeing my first vice magazine video about 2 years ago in video form, purchased at a skateboard store.
anyways... so they have this site now filled with entertaining videos, some of which are funny, some of which are informative, and some of which are shocking.
the closest i can come to describing the tone and feel of these films would be to look at what micheal moore does, and remove any lingering sense of political leaning.
"We're not trying to say anything politically in a paradigmatic left/right way...We don't do that because we don't believe in either side. Are my politics Democrat or Republican? I think both are horrific. And it doesn't matter anyway. Money runs America; money runs everywhere."
anyways. i've been watching "the vice guide to liberia" this week, it's about as creepy and messed up as you can imagine.
heres the trailer :
http://www.vbs.tv/watch/the-vice-guide- ... ia-trailer
the doc is split into 8 parts, with the 8th and final part to be released tonight (so about 9 or 10 hours from now) just scroll down the page and click as needed.
anyways. if listening to war criminals talk about drinking the blood and eating the hearts of children, or watching a 10 year old kid nearly overdose after chasing the dragon, this is something you will enjoy.
The Vice Guide To Liberia
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The Vice Guide To Liberia
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interesting post, thx for enlightment ensuing
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Spawn_Retard
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i watched the trailer. I dont think ill watch the documentary though.
people who find god after doing mass crimes are just incredibly hard to watch imo.
Being brought up moraly the right way by being apart of the church i think this is incredibly insulting that someone who's killed people, killed children and even drank their blood
can get screen time, and be classed as something interesting, informitive and possibly make some sort of money maybe out of this.
Infact i find the whole thing distasteful.
Not because i dont believe in second chances, but because their are millions of people who do the same kind of work (e.g. preach or better someones lives) without raping, killing, or some other serious crime that have no regognition. These are the people you should be informed about, not about people who may or may not have found god when facing death row.
people who find god after doing mass crimes are just incredibly hard to watch imo.
Being brought up moraly the right way by being apart of the church i think this is incredibly insulting that someone who's killed people, killed children and even drank their blood
can get screen time, and be classed as something interesting, informitive and possibly make some sort of money maybe out of this.Infact i find the whole thing distasteful.
Not because i dont believe in second chances, but because their are millions of people who do the same kind of work (e.g. preach or better someones lives) without raping, killing, or some other serious crime that have no regognition. These are the people you should be informed about, not about people who may or may not have found god when facing death row.
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probably should remove that image..
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spawn, im not going to disagree with any of your points
i think the point of the documentary was to show the degree of fucked up shit that goes down in that country; certainly the war criminals are not glorified... the filmmaker lets you know exactly how creeped out he is by them and the fact that they are still roaming free in the streets.
the fact that you find it difficult to watch probably is a testament to your sane-ness.
at the same time, as creepy as i've found it to be, part of me feels i HAVE to watch... here's a country with some of the worst poverty and lack of control in the world, people die there every day from crime and disease and a ton of things that would have been preventable had a country with any sort of wealth and power taken notice.
either way, i wouldnt force something on you that you wouldnt want to watch... there are a lot of interesting documentaries on there though... if i had to suggest something else to watch from there it would be "the vice guide to north korea"
i think the point of the documentary was to show the degree of fucked up shit that goes down in that country; certainly the war criminals are not glorified... the filmmaker lets you know exactly how creeped out he is by them and the fact that they are still roaming free in the streets.
the fact that you find it difficult to watch probably is a testament to your sane-ness.
at the same time, as creepy as i've found it to be, part of me feels i HAVE to watch... here's a country with some of the worst poverty and lack of control in the world, people die there every day from crime and disease and a ton of things that would have been preventable had a country with any sort of wealth and power taken notice.
either way, i wouldnt force something on you that you wouldnt want to watch... there are a lot of interesting documentaries on there though... if i had to suggest something else to watch from there it would be "the vice guide to north korea"
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Oh god..this is very entertaining and interesting.
One general was called mosquito cause mosquitoes bring malaria and the general that fought general mosquito was called mosquito spray.
I liked the journalist's remark that the women that had no money and became whores for 1$ a session should be called "sex workers".
Crazy vid.
The more you progress through the parts the crazier and sadder it becomes.
One general was called mosquito cause mosquitoes bring malaria and the general that fought general mosquito was called mosquito spray.
I liked the journalist's remark that the women that had no money and became whores for 1$ a session should be called "sex workers".
Crazy vid.
The more you progress through the parts the crazier and sadder it becomes.
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Not to say documenting criminals isnt important, because without it we cannot reflect on them, and possibly prevent things like that happening again.
What i dont like is the jokey kinda way its presented, maybe thats what interests people, but its essentialy giving credit to this guy.
What i mean by this is that we as first world country do not tolerate this kind of behaviour here, especially for people who are informed and trying to live a modern life. When some steroetypical indie reporter goes over and is making the documentary some kind of joke it just shows how much we actually care about what hes done.
I also know humour is a great medium to get views, but when comparing it to the seriousness of the topic, it was just another idea that looked good on paper but ended up coming across very insensitive.
What i dont like is the jokey kinda way its presented, maybe thats what interests people, but its essentialy giving credit to this guy.
What i mean by this is that we as first world country do not tolerate this kind of behaviour here, especially for people who are informed and trying to live a modern life. When some steroetypical indie reporter goes over and is making the documentary some kind of joke it just shows how much we actually care about what hes done.
I also know humour is a great medium to get views, but when comparing it to the seriousness of the topic, it was just another idea that looked good on paper but ended up coming across very insensitive.
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to be honest, i didn't really percieve the documentary as humour based...
after reviewing the trailer, i can see where you're coming from... the actual vid really has a different tone altogether.
but really, that's what vice has always been about... relating something important to you in their own tone... which i think i would describe as incredulous rather than humorous. i think the shots in the trailer of the bearded dude laughing is a case of "whistling past the graveyard" rather than amusement; this isnt something that comes across so much in the documentary.
if it WAS like that, go to a third world country and laugh about all the injustice, then i sure as hell wouldn't be offering it as something i think people would be interested to watch.
what REALLY grabs me about this... is why don't any major media companies cover this? its an absolutely terrible situation, probably one of the worst in the world, and nobody seems to know all that much about whats going on there from an inside perspective.
it disgusts me too that he can avoid being held accountable for his crimes by becoming "born again" as well, and im not even remotely christian.
after reviewing the trailer, i can see where you're coming from... the actual vid really has a different tone altogether.
but really, that's what vice has always been about... relating something important to you in their own tone... which i think i would describe as incredulous rather than humorous. i think the shots in the trailer of the bearded dude laughing is a case of "whistling past the graveyard" rather than amusement; this isnt something that comes across so much in the documentary.
if it WAS like that, go to a third world country and laugh about all the injustice, then i sure as hell wouldn't be offering it as something i think people would be interested to watch.
what REALLY grabs me about this... is why don't any major media companies cover this? its an absolutely terrible situation, probably one of the worst in the world, and nobody seems to know all that much about whats going on there from an inside perspective.
it disgusts me too that he can avoid being held accountable for his crimes by becoming "born again" as well, and im not even remotely christian.
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i accept that i shouldnt make a full on assumption of the documentary without watching the whole thing, but considering the trailer is meant to draw you in and inform you of what its about, it must be subonsiously misleading.
That type of crime is actually reported through other mediums you know, you see it in games depciting those areas, they also appear in movies and tv programmes.
But as far as actual news, yes i agree that it isnt covered well. When you consider that news is directed generally at the country it was prodcued in, this type of stuff isn't something people would want to know about. Even though the crimes are horrific.
Countries where crimnals become born again christians and get away with murder ect are hard to describe, you cannot bring your ideals into their countries when their faith is so strong that they beleive it can change a man over night. Who knows if hes pretending or not.
What should be shown with this documentary is that partying and enjoying his change of heart isnt something we should all be hapy about. any first world country would still charge him, and documenting a theoretical fugetive is bad press for mainstream media, and morailty.
That type of crime is actually reported through other mediums you know, you see it in games depciting those areas, they also appear in movies and tv programmes.
But as far as actual news, yes i agree that it isnt covered well. When you consider that news is directed generally at the country it was prodcued in, this type of stuff isn't something people would want to know about. Even though the crimes are horrific.
Countries where crimnals become born again christians and get away with murder ect are hard to describe, you cannot bring your ideals into their countries when their faith is so strong that they beleive it can change a man over night. Who knows if hes pretending or not.
What should be shown with this documentary is that partying and enjoying his change of heart isnt something we should all be hapy about. any first world country would still charge him, and documenting a theoretical fugetive is bad press for mainstream media, and morailty.
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What?Spawn_Retard wrote:Being brought up moraly the right way
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whats wrong with that?Regret wrote:What?Spawn_Retard wrote:Being brought up moraly the right way
you understand it, if not consider learning to read english.
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What is the "right" way?Spawn_Retard wrote:whats wrong with that?
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That, and how can you be brought up morally? I'm of the opinion that morality is something you develop in interaction with your environment, it cannot be imported wholesale from person to person, and most "systems of morality" advanced by religions tend to be used in the place of experience and self-development.