New map : FolsomDamSpecial

[Saktoth]

The north is not made for sea vs sea warfare. The start positions are too far from the water to easily start with a shipyard: Yet starting with a shipyard is clearly the best way to take the sea. For a proper sea vs sea game, you want the 3 mexes right next to or in the water, so you can start shipyard immediately.

Did you intend it to be purely hovercraft, and to discourage ships with the huge open beaches and the long, far shore?

Anyway, good map. Beautiful trees, though a bit large.

[Gota]

I'd use a typemap of 0.1 speed for hovers.I hate the damn things.
bring down the multi terrainers!
Ships rule!

also-very nice looking map.

[Forboding Angel]

Please don't put a typemap on it. Once you do, the balance in anything other than BA becomes 100% fucked.

Beautiful map.

[JohannesH]

Please don't put a typemap on it. Once you do, the balance in anything other than BA becomes 100% fucked.

Beautiful map.

Why would typemaps affect other games more than BA? Unless, just in this case, the game has half of its units hovers.

But I agree that this maps better without typemaps

[Forboding Angel]

Please don't put a typemap on it. Once you do, the balance in anything other than BA becomes 100% fucked.

Beautiful map.

Why would typemaps affect other games more than BA? Unless, just in this case, the game has half of its units hovers.

[Argh]

Please don't put a typemap on it. Once you do, the balance in anything other than BA becomes 100% fucked.

Typemaps only affect Units if their MoveType == one of the reserved categories, i.e. "KBOT TANK" etc. is in the name, IIRC.

[Argh]

You sure? I had to use movetype before P.U.R.E. stuff would respect speed differences... but maybe that's why they still aren't pathfinding correctly

[JohannesH]

Ok so what you really meant was

Please don't put a typemap on it. Once you do, the balance in Evo RTS becomes 100% fucked.

As I thought.

[SirArtturi]

http://replays.adune.nl/texmapmip2/Fols ... al.smf.jpg

is my texture exporter broken or why does it look like you resized the map without preserving the aspect ratio? look the middle metal spot textures. doesnt look good. fix it and you have excuse to change the map name too

Unfortunately, from that picture it is hard to tell what is the problem of yours. At least I cant find anything matching for your problem. Although I see that in some stage of progress, the texture is just slightly vertically off tilted, but that shouldnt be the problem, since detailtexture washes it away ingame.

Where are going to use the texture?

[SirArtturi]

Ok people,

As I'm still open to suggestions, and a lot of things can be changed for the next version. I'll list some suggestions that came up so far, comment on them and put them on the debate:

1. Name should be changed to something else than FolsomDam, at least it should be changed something else than Special as a referring of Senna's doings

- The special in the end of the name really shouldn't effect on anything, since Senna is not the legitimate name holder for that, however people tend to react it in funny way. "Noobs" join my game asking whats special in this map? "Pros" pm me and asking whether its a mod in a map and therefore wont play it.

- The last adjunct shouldn't refer that map has a mod in it, but for example, in that theres some map options and other stuff in it. Just like in this *will be. It just should refer to that it is a special edition.

2. Typemap should be put back

- Don't worry, I think this will be back, but not as a default, but as a map option. The big question is, what will the speedboost and for which units?

3. This is my own suggestion: The Map size should be decreased. Maybe to 18x12?

- This is my own observation and feeling. It's based on that the gameplay is too distorted and "heavy." What do you think?

4. Sea is too hover intensed. Should be changed?

-What to do? Make couple more metal pathces to the sea? Raise the sealevel? This is a bit more difficult issue. The sea was not designed to be hover wars, but is that too bad if it turns out to be like that? It is always good option to go ambhious too etc. I always thought, that t2 sea would be great for breaking the Dam porc.

5. Trees are too big and the size should be changed.

-Unfortunately Im not able to resize the models. However, what im able to do, is take off the big trees in next compile. However, that would mean, that the variety and height differences will suffer. What do you think?

[Gota]

If you want true sea battles than,really your only hope is to make a type map or submerge most of that side underwater.

[JohannesH]

I dont see why ships would be useless at least in BA. Yes if the start boxes are just in the grassy area, it might be better to get a veh lab first and send amphib cons to take sea mexes and so, but after that I dont see the huge benefit of transitioning from that to hovers instead of ships. Yes you can enter the enemy shore but early hover attack shouldnt be hard to block if I have vehicles and ships.

Yes you can try your luck with going hovers first and be succesful too, but thats not the only option for sure.

[FLOZi]

You sure? I had to use movetype before P.U.R.E. stuff would respect speed differences... but maybe that's why they still aren't pathfinding correctly

Oh, I see what you mean now. Yeah, I'm an idiot.

[TradeMark]

http://replays.adune.nl/texmapmip2/Fols ... al.smf.jpg

is my texture exporter broken or why does it look like you resized the map without preserving the aspect ratio? look the middle metal spot textures. doesnt look good. fix it and you have excuse to change the map name too

Unfortunately, from that picture it is hard to tell what is the problem of yours. At least I cant find anything matching for your problem. Although I see that in some stage of progress, the texture is just slightly vertically off tilted, but that shouldnt be the problem, since detailtexture washes it away ingame.

hard to tell? srlsy, you can clearly see the squares are rectangles there.

Where are you going to use the texture?

Im not going to, its just used at: http://mapinfo.adune.nl/?map=FolsomDamSpecial

[Cheesecan]

Ok people,

As I'm still open to suggestions, and a lot of things can be changed for the next version. I'll list some suggestions that came up so far, comment on them and put them on the debate:
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1. I recommend the name FolsomDamRedux.

2. No typemap. We don't need more maps giving units speed boosts. This should be left to the mod makers.

3. No. It is fine as it is.

4. Sea is too small on this, and has no potential to threaten the land. Therefore it is pointless to make shipyards unless as a tool for procuring the sea, so that you can porc it/send hovers with minor resistance. Coastal bombardment is not really possible due to high difference and porcy mountains, porcy mountain passes. This is how you have designed the map. To make it into a sea & land map you would need to change everything. I don't recommend that as the map plays fine as it is. Hovers are great fun!

5. Trees greatly reduce the FPS on this map. For me it is ~58 fps compared to 110 on DS. Of course the easiest way to fix this is by turning off 3D trees. But your trees are features, so I think that would not affect them . I recommend reducing the amount of trees if you want people with laptops/slower computers to enjoy your map. See how much FPS difference it makes, to judge if the sacrifice is worth it..

[Gota]

Folsom dam already exists.
Call this map in some different name.I suggest keeping the word dam and adding something different and not folsom.

[smoth]

Ok, tried it out, zeon ms are underwater only when they are in the dark blue. Which is fine imo.

I like the map. Good stuff.

[Mav]

The absolute north center of the map has a tiny bridge that scout units can cross.

It looks weird and can be (ab)used in a potentially game-imbalancing manner.

That was Sefidel's terraform bridge. Welcome to CA!

Ah... too busy watching the damn warfare to notice the teraforming. By the time noticed, he was already spamming scouts and destroying fusions.

/doh!

[SirArtturi]

I dont see why ships would be useless at least in BA. Yes if the start boxes are just in the grassy area, it might be better to get a veh lab first and send amphib cons to take sea mexes and so, but after that I dont see the huge benefit of transitioning from that to hovers instead of ships. Yes you can enter the enemy shore but early hover attack shouldnt be hard to block if I have vehicles and ships.

Yes you can try your luck with going hovers first and be succesful too, but thats not the only option for sure.

Hmm. This is actually how im feeling it too. The point is, that I dont actually want boats vs boats battle ONLY, but mixed setting. Clearly, after you dominate the sea area it is wise to go boats and try to break the dam porc, that is the key element im wanting...

Imo theres nothing wrong that hovers play a role in there, as long as its not OP and other tactics are viable. I guess the problem here is, that you need to have big startboxes to start straight from sea?

I think it needs more playing to see how it evolves. First games are always about finding wormholes. It should stabilize after people learn the map...

[SirArtturi]

hard to tell? srlsy, you can clearly see the squares are rectangles there.

Oh I c. Actually, that is not because of any rescaling, but only that I did not scale them correctly when placing in first place.

However that doesnt bother me at all if the patches are not squares but slightly rectangles. And I think it shouldnt bother you either. Seriously that is just so small thing that if it bothers you greatly, you should consider changing from spring to some other game...