I call all mappers to autojoin #mapping

[Gota]

The channel already exists,autojoin it much like moddevs join the moddev channel.

[Beherith]

Your constant nagging made me leave the channel a month after founding.

[Gota]

You mean me asking questions about stuff not in the wiki?
What is the channel for than?socializing?
I remember you asking me questions as well and i dont remember being an asshole about it.

[Tribulex]

hmmmm same

[Forboding Angel]

Screw that. I get enough of people pming me asking me mapping questions all the time, now I wanna be in a channel so I can get utterly bombarded? No thanks.

[Gota]

Screw that. I get enough of people pming me asking me mapping questions all the time, now I wanna be in a channel so I can get utterly bombarded? No thanks.

No on the contrary...nobody will pm you if ur in the channel and people kno about it...this way people with questions or those just looking for an opinion can join and ask all the mappers that are online and those can answer when its convenient for them.

[smoth]

No, if people need help they can get it here, that way everyone can benefit from the answers given.

[Gota]

No, if people need help they can get it here, that way everyone can benefit from the answers given.

So why have the moddev channel?or the SY channel?

[MidKnight]

No, if people need help they can get it here, that way everyone can benefit from the answers given.

So why have the moddev channel?or the SY channel?

...lurker?

[Gota]

Well I think it would benefit the overall map making process for those interested in the opinion of others and an initial bug tracking of their WIP.

[FireStorm_]

Well I think it would benefit the overall map making process for those interested in the opinion of others and an initial bug tracking of their WIP.

I agree.

Besides, one shouldn't be annoyed by noobs asking questions. You don't need them for your community but for the future of it. And if politely answering questions became standard, in theory one would create more people able to answer questions, and the bugging of a single authority would diminish. (in theory that is...)

[1v0ry_k1ng]

I used the ca channel to this effect, a dedicated mapping channel full of people with know how would certainly have been more useful

[Beherith]

Firestorm, in practice, that means this:
[random nub]: How do i make maps?
[me]: For beginners i recommend springmapedit that you can get from the forums, look in the mapping section.
[random nub]: ok
[me]: Or you can read the tutorials and the wiki, it contains 5 different, all complete tutorials on how to make maps
[random nub]: how do i make maps?

Gota, I didnt say you where an asshole, just that you badgered me to make stuff for you. I never asked you for anything ever. [snip]

On the note of stuff not in the wiki, by now, 99% of info is on the wiki or forum.
For the rest of the 1%:
A, you did something very dumb
B, your in uncharted territory (exceedingly unlikely)

I wont type in tutorials for each nub too lazy to even read the ones already written. If you get stuck, post of the forum or find me in pm and Ill try to resolve. But trying to get anywhere without independent thought or initiative is impossible.

[Gota]

I asked you to make stuff FOR me? what stuff?
And yes you did ask for advice.
There are many issues,that are not in the tutorials and some details are hard to find.
I have no problem directing someone to the right spot or explaining something easy that would take a newbie an hour to find.
Mapmaking in Spring is overwhelming compared to other games with inbuilt mapmaking tools.
Just think about how much time it took you to learn how to map properly and use the different tools and programs.
Shouldn't experienced mappers try and minimize that time for newcomers?

Since your an experienced mapper you probably don't have many technical questions but maybe you too could benefit from the opinions of others about maps your making in terms of gameplay and just the initial feedback.
Not to mention that if newbies join the channel you probably wont get so much pm spam and there will be less low quality maps both visually and in terms of gameplay.

[smoth]

So why have the moddev channel?or the SY channel?

Because they are doing stuff actively not explaining a concept. The devs are discussing the in real time and working things out. Not explaing what the suns dir is determined by in an smd.

You were the big proponet of the moddev channel, I personaly see that place as a noob trap and waste of time for anyone working on something they plan on finishing

[Neddie]

I feel like #mapping was a bit of a failure. I think it is registered to me, and I don't even have it on autojoin anymore. I always feel guilty for my failure to release new maps.

[hunterw]

theres an avg of like 1 map per week released

no need

[Gota]

@smoth,Just today,while I was in moddev,there was a ton of Q and A.
I don't see why mappers can use mapping in the same way devs use moddev.
Mappers are required to use different tools and programs and the whole experience is very similar IMO.
It's all up to the people who participate.
@Hunter,It's usually the same people releasing.