Info about "rotating wheels"

[daryl]

Hi all,
sorry if I post this question here, probably OT or not...
I would like to know: I modified a simple existing vehicle adding 4 wheels that rotating when vehicle is moving.

The 4 wheels are 4 object that rotating on x axis when the vehicle is moving.

I want to know: This rotation is synchronized with other player when they are playing this same mod?
This Can cause some problems during the play (desync)?
Thx!

[Kloot]

This rotation is synchronized with other player when they are playing this same mod?
This Can cause some problems during the play (desync)?

Yes and yes.

[Masse]

This rotation is synchronized with other player when they are playing this same mod?
This Can cause some problems during the play (desync)?

Yes and yes.

Why and WHY?! It would be way better if one could determine what piece is synced and what not.

[Pressure Line]

unit animations have to be synced because of stuff like aiming animations, which directly affect whether or not a unit can fire at any given point in time, which thusly requires that all of the computers in a game have the same information passed to them at the same time.

[Masse]

unit animations have to be synced because of stuff like aiming animations, which directly affect whether or not a unit can fire at any given point in time, which thusly requires that all of the computers in a game have the same information passed to them at the same time.

I knew that but why can't we just sync what needs to be synced like aiming? And leave rest for the client's. Main reason I stopped playing spring years ago were sync issues and we had allot of them.

[Neddie]

They aren't so much a problem any longer.

[Masse]

They aren't so much a problem any longer.

They will be if I decide to make my own mod with heavy emphasis on animations.

[Peet]

Oh dear.

[Neddie]

I'd hope you made a game rather than a mod.

[AF]

where animations are concerned it is not so much an issue since they will execute the same on every system.

Synced versus unsynced is not something bos/cob can really address though so the lua animation API would be best for that, but so far desyncs are unlikely to occur because of the animation script.

Put simply:

• Use lua gadgets etc for unsynced and synced logic that would have been formerly implemented in Cob Bos animation scripts
• Animation is not going to desync unless you factor in system time and other machine dependant factors, most of which have already been stripped out of the lua environment anyway

[daryl]

They aren't so much a problem any longer.

ok..this is comfortable!!..

[Neddie]

I actually thought Masse left because of simulation desyncs causing games to effectively end - I do wish we had a better animation format. So I don't really know, Daryl, so don't feel too comfortable too soon.

[AF]

erm lua animation scripts....

[Masse]

Thanks neddie. Oh yeah you guys don't call these mods anymore. Sorry let's call it a game then. Finally have grown thick enough skin so I think I can do a little something for Spring.

I'll take a look at lua animations when it's time for that, but first I need to get my stuff UV mapped shit I hate that stuff.

[daryl]

I actually thought Masse left because of simulation desyncs causing games to effectively end - I do wish we had a better animation format. So I don't really know, Daryl, so don't feel too comfortable too soon.

ok this is not a problem at the moment. I can do some test.. if this fail, i will follow other way...

[Neddie]

If you need some help or testing at some point, there is usually some fraction of me available in lobby in #neddie. I can't remember who has started using lua animations seriously, but you might poke the Meridian or CA people.

[daryl]

If you need some help or testing at some point, there is usually some fraction of me available in lobby in #neddie. I can't remember who has started using lua animations seriously, but you might poke the Meridian or CA people.

ok ok...
when i will finish some part of..this game :) i will contact you..
thx!!!

thx all

[Tobi]

This rotation is synchronized with other player when they are playing this same mod?
This Can cause some problems during the play (desync)?

Yes and yes.

Why and WHY?! It would be way better if one could determine what piece is synced and what not.

Why make stuff extra complex when it doesn't need to be?

Why is it better if half the animation is unsynced and half the animation is synced, causing clear visual discrepancies between the two?

[Masse]

Why is it better if half the animation is unsynced and half the animation is synced, causing clear visual discrepancies between the two?

To me it just sounds illogical when unnecessary animations are synced. Not going to argue more, cause you guys are right and i'm not :)

[jK]

http://home.arcor.de/jkei/angelshark.avi
http://home.arcor.de/jkei/angelshark2.avi