Watch this. Make sure the sound is turned up. It is extremely graphic, so beware to those of you who don't like blood. The video has been edited, so keep in mind that the actual procedure is much longer.
http://ftp.intact.ca/images/new142.mpeg
How is this legal? Can anyone answer that? How can this possibly be legal? Modern medical studies have found that there are no benefits - NONE - on any level from being circumcised, except that it's considered the normal thing to do. If any of you reading and viewing this have a pregnant wife, please bring your whole baby home. Typically babies aren't even given anesthetic under the notion that they won't remember it. Well, anasthetic can only do so much to dull the pain of the most sensitive part of your body being hacked off, in any case.
How the hell can this be legal? Hacking off a full-grown person's foreskin without their consent would be grounds for a helluvah lot of jail time. So, what, now the fetus isn't really a person, so ripping them apart and sucking them out with a vacuum one piece at a time is OK, but apparently they still don't have the right to choose even when they're outside of their mother?
And why aren't they given the choice? Because any person with the power of reason - ANY person - would scream no, get the hell away from me! Bring your kid home with all his skin intact. Then, when he's 4, let him watch this video and ask if he'd like it done. Inform him that there's no reason to do it, but you think he should anyway. And also, he'll feel every minute of it. See what his reaction is.
HOW THE HELL IS THIS STILL LEGAL?
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ugh, I never understood the rationale behind circumcision as a standard procedure. It's the same thing as FGM, just some damned cultural custom that will not die. Only difference between FGM and circumcision is that circumcision comes from the bible (Old Testament, whatever, it's still the bible), and you know how bitchy some of these people from that crowd can get. "it's considered the normal thing to do" isn't a good excuse, I'm behind you here.
[edit]okay, I'm not 100% sure that circumcision is in the bible, but it is (and maybe originated from? I'm not well-read in the history of circumcision) solidly grounded in Jewish law/religion, and I'm ignorant of what other texts or codices they may have[/edit]
[edit]okay, I'm not 100% sure that circumcision is in the bible, but it is (and maybe originated from? I'm not well-read in the history of circumcision) solidly grounded in Jewish law/religion, and I'm ignorant of what other texts or codices they may have[/edit]
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[K.B.] Napalm Cobra
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Sometimes people need a good shock to realize how horrible something is.Does anyone really have to watch that to know its not going to be plesant?
"They" have proven that an uncircumcised penis is less likely to develop infection of any kind, and yes even related to the bladder/urethra, than a circumcised one.
I don't know why circumcision was required by ancient jews - who knows, perhaps at the time when hygiene was undoubtedly very poor, it was a good thing. But hell if I can come up with a reason, even after research on the topic, why it should be done now. Last I heard it's not even required anymore in order to be Jewish.
Ok... call this odd, but ive seen a circumsion befor and it was nothing liek that. That was some weird sick twisted way.
Now befor anyone goes "you evil man, just cvause it says so in teh bible" no, im not sticking up for it. Im glad ive not had that done.
Odd thing is, I can say i know taht many peopel that have. I mean, im pretty sure the norm is to not have it done (atlesat here in england, unless your a jew, were its a tradition)
The othet time i saw it, the skin was pull forward, carfully pinched, then cut with very sissor liek things, at which point baby cries, but only for a min or two, while its given a bath and it came out fine and dandy with no blood gusshing or anything.
and it only took what 20 secs for them to do the whole lot befor he got his bath, unlike that were it loked liek it was drawn out over 2 mins more or less (as u can clearly see its a cut down version)
perhapse thats a special case were there was a problem and someones touting it as teh only way?
aGorm
Now befor anyone goes "you evil man, just cvause it says so in teh bible" no, im not sticking up for it. Im glad ive not had that done.
Odd thing is, I can say i know taht many peopel that have. I mean, im pretty sure the norm is to not have it done (atlesat here in england, unless your a jew, were its a tradition)
The othet time i saw it, the skin was pull forward, carfully pinched, then cut with very sissor liek things, at which point baby cries, but only for a min or two, while its given a bath and it came out fine and dandy with no blood gusshing or anything.
and it only took what 20 secs for them to do the whole lot befor he got his bath, unlike that were it loked liek it was drawn out over 2 mins more or less (as u can clearly see its a cut down version)
perhapse thats a special case were there was a problem and someones touting it as teh only way?
aGorm
Well, i still suspect that its some sort of seriose case that is not the norm. I can see were there going with teh whole thing, but they seem to be draging it out alot and doing loads of checks for some reason... lets face it down there aint that complicated, unless theers somthing rong like with whatever Min3mat had, in which case im sure hes gratefully they were so carfull!!
Also, just to point out my cousing made sounds far more distubing just cause some bird shit hit him... babies in destress always sound bad, tahst why they sound that way, otherwise we would not give a dam! were programed to think "HELL THAT BABIES IN TROBLE!!" (someone call burntface man!! anyone watch that??)
aGorm
Also, just to point out my cousing made sounds far more distubing just cause some bird shit hit him... babies in destress always sound bad, tahst why they sound that way, otherwise we would not give a dam! were programed to think "HELL THAT BABIES IN TROBLE!!" (someone call burntface man!! anyone watch that??)
aGorm
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SwiftSpear
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Good lord. Anyone who finds that video disturbing is a ponce. Watch some footage of carpal tunnel sydrome surgery some time or something.
Any procedure that can be preformed and then DABBED UP when its finished is non evasive enough to be legal in my opinion. If it was really so bad there would be some resistance to it amounst people who acctually have been circumcized. Only touquees ever complain.
Any procedure that can be preformed and then DABBED UP when its finished is non evasive enough to be legal in my opinion. If it was really so bad there would be some resistance to it amounst people who acctually have been circumcized. Only touquees ever complain.
Whats odd is i whatch Dawn of the Dead (the original) with out flinching.
I cheered when Cpt Rhodes was torn in half by zombies. I laughed when the lady got stabbed in the eye in Zombi and clapped with glee when the dude got his hand cut off and the grenade on the hand exploded and cut the dude in half in Land Of the Dead.
and i couldent even finish that movie.
Maby SwiftSpear is much more mentaly hardened then me.
Or mabey Zombie movies have no relevence to real life...nah...
I cheered when Cpt Rhodes was torn in half by zombies. I laughed when the lady got stabbed in the eye in Zombi and clapped with glee when the dude got his hand cut off and the grenade on the hand exploded and cut the dude in half in Land Of the Dead.
and i couldent even finish that movie.
Maby SwiftSpear is much more mentaly hardened then me.
Or mabey Zombie movies have no relevence to real life...nah...
... and you were watching the edited version.and i couldent even finish that movie.
Swiftspear, if you're such a macho guy, go get yourself cut without anesthetic.
When an accusation against a time-honored tradition is brought up, it is studied ( http://www.nocirc.org/position/ ). If, in reality, the practice is harmful and unnecesary ( http://www.noharmm.org/position.htm ), it is quickly agreed on by the medical community ( http://www.intact.ca/saskmemo.html *) to stop performing the procedure unless it's specifically asked for. And yeah, things which are really bad and can have consequences ( http://www.infocirc.org/fourn.htm ) generally have some resistance. Things like class action lawsuits ( http://www.intact.ca/class.htm ) are common.
*In case you didn't know, Saskatchewan is a province of Canada.
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No thanks on the cutting thing. I'm not emo.
This shit is lame though. You're making a point with shock tactics. THERE IS NOTHING INVASIVE ABOUT THAT PROCEDURE. Seriously, comparitively a simple carpal tunnel syndrom surgery is far more shocking and disturbing. Hell, removing an apendix is worse. Pretty much any cosmetic sugery is absolutly disturbing compared to this. I've had ingrown toenails removal procedures that were sicker then this. Don't even get me started on slaugtering methods at your local cattel farm.
I've never heard of a baby dying from being circumcized... the last time I heard statistics the procedure is generally as risk free as imunizations, and I've never heard a circumcized guy complain about it. This whole argument is the same as those peta freaks who can't tell the difference between abusive treatment of animals and the creation of food.
[edit] I'm circumcized and I doubt I will be asking for my children to have the procedure done, which is usually the reason it does happed (father decides on it). That being said I don't think it should be made illegal because you can post a shocking video of a common surgial procedure. Most doctor work freeks the fuck out of most people.
This shit is lame though. You're making a point with shock tactics. THERE IS NOTHING INVASIVE ABOUT THAT PROCEDURE. Seriously, comparitively a simple carpal tunnel syndrom surgery is far more shocking and disturbing. Hell, removing an apendix is worse. Pretty much any cosmetic sugery is absolutly disturbing compared to this. I've had ingrown toenails removal procedures that were sicker then this. Don't even get me started on slaugtering methods at your local cattel farm.
I've never heard of a baby dying from being circumcized... the last time I heard statistics the procedure is generally as risk free as imunizations, and I've never heard a circumcized guy complain about it. This whole argument is the same as those peta freaks who can't tell the difference between abusive treatment of animals and the creation of food.
[edit] I'm circumcized and I doubt I will be asking for my children to have the procedure done, which is usually the reason it does happed (father decides on it). That being said I don't think it should be made illegal because you can post a shocking video of a common surgial procedure. Most doctor work freeks the fuck out of most people.
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