DO SOMETHING FOR GOD'S SAKE! Let your little individual spark be seen, shine as bright as you can if only for a little while. So what if you are not the next bill gates, steven jobs or john carmack.... be the best you can be within yourself. If you do not strive to better yourself how are you any better than an animal in the cycle of eat sleep fuck!?! Live damn you, create and cry out as loud as you can even if no one hears it.
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I have a brilliant idea but want to do none of teh work....
I am so sick of reading this, it is depressing. I can understand throwing ideas out there to discuss them or hell even asking a specific person for help. But for god's sake, why is it that so many people want to just be idea men and not doers. Are you people going to spend your whole life looking for ways to take the easy rout out of everything? What is the point of living, get in a wreck and get on life support if you want your life to be on auto pilot! What is the point of even living without struggling to accomplish things!?!? Why do so many people find bliss in being yet another sofa slug playing video games and pissing away the short and precious gift of their life!?!?
DO SOMETHING FOR GOD'S SAKE! Let your little individual spark be seen, shine as bright as you can if only for a little while. So what if you are not the next bill gates, steven jobs or john carmack.... be the best you can be within yourself. If you do not strive to better yourself how are you any better than an animal in the cycle of eat sleep fuck!?! Live damn you, create and cry out as loud as you can even if no one hears it.
DO SOMETHING FOR GOD'S SAKE! Let your little individual spark be seen, shine as bright as you can if only for a little while. So what if you are not the next bill gates, steven jobs or john carmack.... be the best you can be within yourself. If you do not strive to better yourself how are you any better than an animal in the cycle of eat sleep fuck!?! Live damn you, create and cry out as loud as you can even if no one hears it.
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because people got 3 PS3
well, the problem with computerstuff is that it takes lots of time/work to make something. And then you need even more time to polish it to a point where other people will not go wtf at it. And then you have made the best tetris game ever, but nobody cares.
because people got 3 PS3
well, the problem with computerstuff is that it takes lots of time/work to make something. And then you need even more time to polish it to a point where other people will not go wtf at it. And then you have made the best tetris game ever, but nobody cares.
because people got 3 PS3
Re: I have a brilliant idea but want to do none of teh work....
Hey,
I know that I am included in the vast array of those to whom this comment is directed. I would like to defend my personal position in this matter without attempting to defend against the primary concern you have put forward.
The part of smoth's brain that is on overdrive, the part that makes him so awesome, is effectively missing from my brain. I have been (through either genetics or my life experiences to date) been blessed with the curse of contentment. The only thing I ever really strove for in life was suitable companionship (namely my wife) and in retrospect she was stalking me anyway so the whole thing just kinda landed in my lap.
In my youth I showed significant aptitude in nearly every pursuit I set myself to. Unfortunately I so rarely put any effort into these pursuits that my childhood was marked with repeated failure in almost every endeavor... simply because I preferred to stare blankly at space for hours on end instead of honing any of my talents. People around me were constantly reinforcing my lack of effort by telling me how awesome I was at everything I tried... singing, art, writing, computers, school... and my innate talents got me through high-school with little to no effort... sure my grades were barely passing, but I did pass.
College, however, proved to much for my gifts alone... and, having never truly struggled at anything in life, I had not been given the opportunity to hone the skills that are needed to push myself the extra mile.
After dropping out of college I got a job doing telephone tech support... one that would drive most people nuts, and I neither excelled nor faltered... it was easy... the company lost the contract I was on and I fell into another job a friend was able to find me... programming... one of those things I'm good enough at without trying... that company basically went belly-up and I got laid off... I am currently living on employment insurance, bankrupt and as the only source of income for a family of four living in a one bedroom apartment that costs about a third of what it should because It's owned by the church I attend.
So, my life IS too easy and I am fundamentally content with it.
On occasion I will engage in one pursuit or another and my brilliance shines through, I have awesome ideas and I get excited and become obsessed with it for a brief time... then I get bored and move on... I lack the follow-through smoth has. smoth has frequently admitted that he's really no better then us, he just works hard... I disagree, at least in part, he is deffinitely better then ME at least because there is something inside of him that let's him work hard even when he doesn't have to.
If I had half the motivation that the average moron has developed if they make it through college I would probably be a bill gates or whatever... If my level of brilliance were coupled with the mental endurance and motivation I would probably have solved all the worlds problems now or at least be extremely rich.
What I do have is crazy awesome ideas and the ability to take someone else's ideas and extend them. I also have the aforementioned basic ability to program that is innate and has nothing to do with studying (now augmented however by about half a year of practical experience).
SO, when I come in here and post one of my crazy ideas I do so for one or more perfectly valid reasons (at least in my mind they are valid):
I want to share my gift of creativity with the world and possibly inspire those who DO possess that magical gift of motivation to do great things.
I am at the part of my cycle of obsession where I am willing to put in some effort and am looking for collaborators.
SO, while I understand smoth's perspective I feel that his assessment of my posts is at least limited if not inaccurate. I am perfectly willing to put in the effort needed to finish one of my hair brained schemes and my skills are sufficient to do so... I am just incapable of doing much beyond the basic initial crazy burst of brilliance.
That is why I am looking for the EASIEST and QUICKEST possible way to get my ideas out where people can see them and appreciate them... it's not because I'm lazy per se... but because I KNOW that I lack the needed motivation to push my effort beyond the limited threshold of my motivation... so if I feel that the project in question is not going to be completed by the time my interest runs out... why would I start in the first place?
One thing that HAS worked in the past and I have touched on this a number of times is when I have someone to help me I am able to feed off of THEIR motivation coupled with a guilt complex that motivates me to match the effort of those I've convinced to assist me with a project. I feel like I'm letting the person down by not putting forth equal effort so I actually work longer then normal... usually the other people in these endeavors run out of steam too (I tend to attract people who have similar motivational issues) so I rarely finish anything.
I know I'm typing round in circles here but I've reached the end of my interest in this post and don't feel like going back over and editing it.
I know that I am included in the vast array of those to whom this comment is directed. I would like to defend my personal position in this matter without attempting to defend against the primary concern you have put forward.
The part of smoth's brain that is on overdrive, the part that makes him so awesome, is effectively missing from my brain. I have been (through either genetics or my life experiences to date) been blessed with the curse of contentment. The only thing I ever really strove for in life was suitable companionship (namely my wife) and in retrospect she was stalking me anyway so the whole thing just kinda landed in my lap.
In my youth I showed significant aptitude in nearly every pursuit I set myself to. Unfortunately I so rarely put any effort into these pursuits that my childhood was marked with repeated failure in almost every endeavor... simply because I preferred to stare blankly at space for hours on end instead of honing any of my talents. People around me were constantly reinforcing my lack of effort by telling me how awesome I was at everything I tried... singing, art, writing, computers, school... and my innate talents got me through high-school with little to no effort... sure my grades were barely passing, but I did pass.
College, however, proved to much for my gifts alone... and, having never truly struggled at anything in life, I had not been given the opportunity to hone the skills that are needed to push myself the extra mile.
After dropping out of college I got a job doing telephone tech support... one that would drive most people nuts, and I neither excelled nor faltered... it was easy... the company lost the contract I was on and I fell into another job a friend was able to find me... programming... one of those things I'm good enough at without trying... that company basically went belly-up and I got laid off... I am currently living on employment insurance, bankrupt and as the only source of income for a family of four living in a one bedroom apartment that costs about a third of what it should because It's owned by the church I attend.
So, my life IS too easy and I am fundamentally content with it.
On occasion I will engage in one pursuit or another and my brilliance shines through, I have awesome ideas and I get excited and become obsessed with it for a brief time... then I get bored and move on... I lack the follow-through smoth has. smoth has frequently admitted that he's really no better then us, he just works hard... I disagree, at least in part, he is deffinitely better then ME at least because there is something inside of him that let's him work hard even when he doesn't have to.
If I had half the motivation that the average moron has developed if they make it through college I would probably be a bill gates or whatever... If my level of brilliance were coupled with the mental endurance and motivation I would probably have solved all the worlds problems now or at least be extremely rich.
What I do have is crazy awesome ideas and the ability to take someone else's ideas and extend them. I also have the aforementioned basic ability to program that is innate and has nothing to do with studying (now augmented however by about half a year of practical experience).
SO, when I come in here and post one of my crazy ideas I do so for one or more perfectly valid reasons (at least in my mind they are valid):
I want to share my gift of creativity with the world and possibly inspire those who DO possess that magical gift of motivation to do great things.
I am at the part of my cycle of obsession where I am willing to put in some effort and am looking for collaborators.
SO, while I understand smoth's perspective I feel that his assessment of my posts is at least limited if not inaccurate. I am perfectly willing to put in the effort needed to finish one of my hair brained schemes and my skills are sufficient to do so... I am just incapable of doing much beyond the basic initial crazy burst of brilliance.
That is why I am looking for the EASIEST and QUICKEST possible way to get my ideas out where people can see them and appreciate them... it's not because I'm lazy per se... but because I KNOW that I lack the needed motivation to push my effort beyond the limited threshold of my motivation... so if I feel that the project in question is not going to be completed by the time my interest runs out... why would I start in the first place?
One thing that HAS worked in the past and I have touched on this a number of times is when I have someone to help me I am able to feed off of THEIR motivation coupled with a guilt complex that motivates me to match the effort of those I've convinced to assist me with a project. I feel like I'm letting the person down by not putting forth equal effort so I actually work longer then normal... usually the other people in these endeavors run out of steam too (I tend to attract people who have similar motivational issues) so I rarely finish anything.
I know I'm typing round in circles here but I've reached the end of my interest in this post and don't feel like going back over and editing it.
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Sounds like you need to surround yourself with people who have positive momentum. It is entirely possible that the company you keep is bringing you down. My post is not necessarily about you although I would be lying if I didn't say your post partly spurred this on. Sinbad, we are all remarkably unremarkable, or as a professor once told me, we are different like everyone else. You are you and that is ok.
If you feel you are not self motivated enough for your own forward momentum also look and see if the people around you are anchors. Too many people are weighed down by those of whom will spend their lives trying to drag others down to their level. I am not saying that you should blame others but it appears you lack the support network to validate your efforts.
All things big and small are good when they are forward momentum, I believe this. I guess the best thing to remember is that no matter how bleak things look keep going! you will get somewhere and that is better than where you are. All trips be it Homer, Jesus, Conscious or Chief Joseph were taken a step at a time. Walking is the act of falling forward in a coordinated way, the force of your body and the gravity of the earth pull you down and you make the unconscious effort to fight that downward force. When that downward force does succeed, remember that it is in your power to raise yourself up again.
If you feel you are not self motivated enough for your own forward momentum also look and see if the people around you are anchors. Too many people are weighed down by those of whom will spend their lives trying to drag others down to their level. I am not saying that you should blame others but it appears you lack the support network to validate your efforts.
All things big and small are good when they are forward momentum, I believe this. I guess the best thing to remember is that no matter how bleak things look keep going! you will get somewhere and that is better than where you are. All trips be it Homer, Jesus, Conscious or Chief Joseph were taken a step at a time. Walking is the act of falling forward in a coordinated way, the force of your body and the gravity of the earth pull you down and you make the unconscious effort to fight that downward force. When that downward force does succeed, remember that it is in your power to raise yourself up again.
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Hey, I do all kinds of work on my brilliant ideas, I just spread it over such a wide expanse of half-finished projects it APPEARS I'm not really doing anything.
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Will power IMO is probably a mix of genetics and the influence of the environment.
One easy example that comes to my mind is obesity.
Some people are genetically predisposed to be fatter and eat more and they will probably be fat but not cause they lack will power of normal people but cause they lack an exceptional will power.
They need to have a much stronger will power to keep their weight down as oppose to regular people.
I think aside from the influence of genetics people can also be tough and conditioned to work under a system/structure and to work alone motivating themselves and forcing themselves to feel like they are constantly in lack of time and need to be doing something.
If you have a problem of willpower and you cant force yourself to move past difficulties towards a far away goal think about your childhood.
Did you parents ever force you to do things?did they punish you?
Did they create a frame for you and allowed you to develop a habit of pushing on even when its hard..
Perhaps you need to recondition yourself slowly and acquire the right habits to become the person you want to be.
If you truly want to become a "doer" but you are not you will probably have to spend a long time reprogramming yourself and changing a lot of the environment and the people that surround you.
If you are truly unhappy with the fact you cant force yourself to action maybe think of seeking psychological counseling.It can help.
If you are happy with yourself than dont.
Eventually we all end up in the same place if we are bill gates or if we are just average.
There is no right way of living.
However if you cant live up to your expectations of yourself,that ultimately motivate each of us to keep living than you will be unhappy.
One easy example that comes to my mind is obesity.
Some people are genetically predisposed to be fatter and eat more and they will probably be fat but not cause they lack will power of normal people but cause they lack an exceptional will power.
They need to have a much stronger will power to keep their weight down as oppose to regular people.
I think aside from the influence of genetics people can also be tough and conditioned to work under a system/structure and to work alone motivating themselves and forcing themselves to feel like they are constantly in lack of time and need to be doing something.
If you have a problem of willpower and you cant force yourself to move past difficulties towards a far away goal think about your childhood.
Did you parents ever force you to do things?did they punish you?
Did they create a frame for you and allowed you to develop a habit of pushing on even when its hard..
Perhaps you need to recondition yourself slowly and acquire the right habits to become the person you want to be.
If you truly want to become a "doer" but you are not you will probably have to spend a long time reprogramming yourself and changing a lot of the environment and the people that surround you.
If you are truly unhappy with the fact you cant force yourself to action maybe think of seeking psychological counseling.It can help.
If you are happy with yourself than dont.
Eventually we all end up in the same place if we are bill gates or if we are just average.
There is no right way of living.
However if you cant live up to your expectations of yourself,that ultimately motivate each of us to keep living than you will be unhappy.
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How can you judge what is and what is not proper way of life? I would LOVE to just play games, surf the internet and 'waste' my life on pleasurable activity and find it absurd not to want to just have fun all life.smoth wrote:Why do so many people find bliss in being yet another sofa slug playing video games and pissing away the short and precious gift of their life!?!?
People from several hundred years ago were ecstatic from having a tiny fraction of what we have today in incredible abundance in comparison. Your expectations / standards or call it whatever you want is just ridiculously high. Control it and you can be the happiest person by just taking a hot bath.
No you're not. You have not shown any remarkable thought processes or ideas anywhere on this forum and from reading your posts I doubt you can. All you are is full of yourself calling the first random thought that comes to mind "ULTIMATE".SinbadEV wrote:I am brilliant
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Ive got some awesome ideas. Anybody want to do them?
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Re: I have a brilliant idea but want to do none of teh work....
I will do it!JohannesH wrote:Ive got some awesome ideas. Anybody want to do them?
But....
it will probably take me hours....
and I will have to bug a lot of people for help...
and when I'm done it will probably be broken...
or at the very least probably really overly complicated and unoptimized...
and somebody else could probably do it in 10 minutes...
and be much better...
Argh!
Motivation...draining away...
I think I am going to go browse lolcats for the next hour instead to help me feel better...
Re: I have a brilliant idea but want to do none of teh work....
regret it is that sort of complacency that has resulted in the extinction of countless species and untold natural wonders.
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Do they involve RTS gameplay mechanics? If so, please make your own mod and then I'll shamelessly rip it off and claim you stole the ideas from me. Thanks.JohannesH wrote:Ive got some awesome ideas. Anybody want to do them?
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I made a long and detailed response explaining why I'm an idea man. Basically sinbadev + a twist. But, the posting failed, and now it turns out that laziness would be closer to the truth 
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These are not specials abilities. You are not the only person able to get ideas. Anybody who played video games for as long as any of us have had truckload crazily awesome ideas that really ought to be done. But most of us are sane enough to not post them. You have to realise that mere ideas have zero values. They're only worth mentionning after you have materialized them. And then, there's the laughably worthless ideas like "Let's make a game as deep as MUD and rogue-like but with pretty graphism!".SinbadEV wrote:What I do have is crazy awesome ideas and the ability to take someone else's ideas and extend them.
I want to share my gift of creativity with the world and possibly inspire those who DO possess that magical gift of motivation to do great things.
A collaborator is not a slave doing your commands. It is your equal, sharing idea and workload. By that, I mean he might be capable of enough sentience to form ideas, and he might expect you to work a bit from time to time.SinbadEV wrote:am looking for collaborators.
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I have no idea how on earth does this connect to what I said.smoth wrote:regret it is that sort of complacency that has resulted in the extinction of countless species and untold natural wonders.
Being happy with life == destroying nature???
In no way did I mean that people shouldn't just go on and do whatever the fuck they want, I said having absurd demands on yourself is masochistic.
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Its interesting to find this world to fall into the "mommy" hands and the legal kennels.
USA was the first, Britain was the second to suffer from what is called "good grades" which are made by lowering the standard of the test rather than improving the schools.
I found that myself in my childhood. My secondary school was specialised in sciences and we were literally studying a year if not two ahead of any other school in the country, and without any loss on the side subjects (history etc). There, I got to love the study and understood that there is no limit to what you can really do, as long as you put yourself to it.
And then... my family moved, and I got into one of those "standard" high schools, where my knowledge allowed me to finish 2 years of maths an physics in under half a year. What do you think I did next? Nothing really, just sat back and watched the birds fly. Community had NO motivation to study. AT ALL. They loved bars at nights, you cant even make a science joke with them, they will just call you a geek.
Parents are one of the problems, mothers complaining that their children "study too much" and have little social interaction. Not even realising that the quality of the latter improves, if you are in the community where EVERYONE tries to study, rather than being left alone with thick glasses and a "geek" label on your neck.
Same thing in the university, which I barely got in. The amount of "WORK" we had to do was SO little compared to schools that it is just laughable! On the other hand everyone says that it is a lot, and you are starting to believe it...
The issue here is community. If you are told that you are great as you are, being just a tiny bit better than eveeryone else, will, in most cases, completely remove the motivation to strive for anything.
What is the difference between a guy who is cleaning the streets every day and a businessman on a good car and wrapped in an expensive suit? Not much, really, they just gave up at different times. Became satisfied with what they are and stopped there.
Idiots are happiest people on this planet.
USA was the first, Britain was the second to suffer from what is called "good grades" which are made by lowering the standard of the test rather than improving the schools.
I found that myself in my childhood. My secondary school was specialised in sciences and we were literally studying a year if not two ahead of any other school in the country, and without any loss on the side subjects (history etc). There, I got to love the study and understood that there is no limit to what you can really do, as long as you put yourself to it.
And then... my family moved, and I got into one of those "standard" high schools, where my knowledge allowed me to finish 2 years of maths an physics in under half a year. What do you think I did next? Nothing really, just sat back and watched the birds fly. Community had NO motivation to study. AT ALL. They loved bars at nights, you cant even make a science joke with them, they will just call you a geek.
Parents are one of the problems, mothers complaining that their children "study too much" and have little social interaction. Not even realising that the quality of the latter improves, if you are in the community where EVERYONE tries to study, rather than being left alone with thick glasses and a "geek" label on your neck.
Same thing in the university, which I barely got in. The amount of "WORK" we had to do was SO little compared to schools that it is just laughable! On the other hand everyone says that it is a lot, and you are starting to believe it...
The issue here is community. If you are told that you are great as you are, being just a tiny bit better than eveeryone else, will, in most cases, completely remove the motivation to strive for anything.
What is the difference between a guy who is cleaning the streets every day and a businessman on a good car and wrapped in an expensive suit? Not much, really, they just gave up at different times. Became satisfied with what they are and stopped there.
Idiots are happiest people on this planet.
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I am not saying have absurd demands I am saying have some kind of goal. too many people do little more than meander through life.
If humanity was more proactive we would treat the world better. Lazyness and lack of effort in understanding has resulted in many many species of animals being driven to extinction because that was the shortest route in dealing with them. when was the last time you helped a turtle across the street or perhaps gave a spider a helping hand?
If humanity was more proactive we would treat the world better. Lazyness and lack of effort in understanding has resulted in many many species of animals being driven to extinction because that was the shortest route in dealing with them. when was the last time you helped a turtle across the street or perhaps gave a spider a helping hand?
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And how do you know they've given up on anything, even if they dont use their time trying to get a "better" job? Its not like job/studies is the only thing in life...==Troy== wrote:What is the difference between a guy who is cleaning the streets every day and a businessman on a good car and wrapped in an expensive suit? Not much, really, they just gave up at different times. Became satisfied with what they are and stopped there.
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Being happy is a goal, and so is just enjoying life.smoth wrote:I am not saying have absurd demands I am saying have some kind of goal. too many people do little more than meander through life.
That is a completely different issue! Your described problem is caused solely by making easiest profit / disposing of loss. People that do that do it not from laziness, but from wanting more and always more. Of course then there are those that don't have other work opportunities and do jobs that can pollute the environment, but the core underlying problem are the selfish ambitious bastards running the companies employing said people.smoth wrote:If humanity was more proactive we would treat the world better. Lazyness and lack of effort in understanding has resulted in many many species of animals being driven to extinction because that was the shortest route in dealing with them.
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JohannesH wrote:And how do you know they've given up on anything, even if they dont use their time trying to get a "better" job? Its not like job/studies is the only thing in life...==Troy== wrote:What is the difference between a guy who is cleaning the streets every day and a businessman on a good car and wrapped in an expensive suit? Not much, really, they just gave up at different times. Became satisfied with what they are and stopped there.
Of course it not. But those are supposed to be methods of self-expression for many, whether, on the other hand, for most a job is just a money provider, and nothing more than that.
Regret is right that before people had MUCH less and they were still happy. If now you put someone into their situation, he would suffer nightmares.
Education is not just a "greek land" but is also a way to teach the person to discover new ways to satisfy himself. Honestly, if noone has taught me anything, I am sure I would be happy to just dig the field and have a girlfriend, and be proud of what I am and what I do.
Edit : and your statement about "better" job just shows that you too think of a job as a money provider and only then something that actually would satisfy you mentally. Job is something that you WANT to do, and you strived to do, not just something random that you were half-decent at during the uni.
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Being successful used to be about developing skills. Building skills, mechanical skills, driving skills, athletic abilities, etc. Now most people are more concerned about fashion, grooming, and maintaining their facebook account.
People have become apathetic about being the best they can be. I equate it very much to mom's ruining sports. I get so upset hearing moms sprout that bullshit phrase "Its not about winning, its about having fun." What a crock of crap. What the hell is the fun in losing? I think that is part of the problem - people have bought into this attitude.
I'm a sophomore in comp eng. I'm in a bunch of entry level science-related classes, such as compsci 1, diff equ, phyisics, engineering statistics.
The topics are generally not in depth. The equations are generally plug-n-chug. The tests are usually reiterations of what the teacher spits out in class. So why do the overwhelming majority of students cry so hard about their classes? These are intro classes, and they have plenty of kids crying.
Upon asking these students "Did you do the homework? Because it was exactly like the homework...", you get burned at the stake for your tyranny.
People have become apathetic about being the best they can be. I equate it very much to mom's ruining sports. I get so upset hearing moms sprout that bullshit phrase "Its not about winning, its about having fun." What a crock of crap. What the hell is the fun in losing? I think that is part of the problem - people have bought into this attitude.
I'm a sophomore in comp eng. I'm in a bunch of entry level science-related classes, such as compsci 1, diff equ, phyisics, engineering statistics.
The topics are generally not in depth. The equations are generally plug-n-chug. The tests are usually reiterations of what the teacher spits out in class. So why do the overwhelming majority of students cry so hard about their classes? These are intro classes, and they have plenty of kids crying.
Upon asking these students "Did you do the homework? Because it was exactly like the homework...", you get burned at the stake for your tyranny.