Obama wins 2009 Nobel Peace Prize

[Gota]

This tool is fail.
After him America is gonna elect some hardcore president for sure.
Just like After Jimmy carter who was also a pussy.

[Caydr]

You want to know who they should elect, is this dead guy named Pierre Trudeau. He was a Canadian PM and he had such balls he had to wear extra large shoes to carry them in.

The queen comes to visit? He makes fun of her while she's present but turned away, in front of a hundred cameras.

At a parade, a mob forms and starts throwing bottles and stuff at him? He sits there and takes it. He doesn't move an inch. Everyone around him is pressuring him to run away, pulling him from his chair, he shoves them off and sits his ass back down because nobody's chasing away the PM of Canada in his own country. (ok, he wasn't actually PM at the time, but he was the next day)

Crazies take hostages in Quebec? Some extreme elements in his government say he should enact martial law. "Martial law?" he scoffs. "Screw that, I'm declaring WAR on them mutha****as!" And so for the first time in its history, Canada enacts war measures during peacetime and the entire military is basically patrolling one city.

A reporter says, "Just how far are you going to take this war measures thing?" and he responds, "Just watch me."

He's in a high-level meeting in the house of commons, and doesn't like the attitude he's getting? He tells them to **** off.

People think Canada's getting to cozy with America? He has a sleepover with Castro in Cuba, then invites him to Canada.

He was like a Bush, but doing things wrong intentionally and not at such regular intervals.

[Gota]

Next US president?

[Master-Athmos]

For example, from what i know, to advance thermonuclear power / nuclear fusion power, large scale tests would have to be carried out (read about nuclear fusion if you don't already know what type of "tests" have been successful at that field or just want to know more). To differentiate these tests from actual weapon tests would need a lot of work and in reality, that kind of checkup is easily bypassed.

Weapon tests and experiments about generators / reactors are two totally different pair of shoes. In the first case you go somewhere and let stuff go boom and in the second case you build up your experiment, do it und usually have every waste contained and sealed. Stopping the weapon test is about stopping the pollution of our world with all the dangerous and nasty effects...

In the case of fusion there even is next to no nuclear waste and what gets used is pretty much harmless when compared to uranium & stuff...

[Caydr]

Don't take it too seriously guys, peace has a well-known liberal bias.

[Licho]

It's about testing the weapons.

Yeah i got that yet i still don't see how you can effectively remove nuclear weapons tests if you allow nuclear energy tests as the two are so linked it practically impossible. For example, from what i know, to advance thermonuclear power / nuclear fusion power, large scale tests would have to be carried out (read about nuclear fusion if you don't already know what type of "tests" have been successful at that field or just want to know more). To differentiate these tests from actual weapon tests would need a lot of work and in reality, that kind of checkup is easily bypassed.

WHAT? What is this? Educate yourself more first?? Treaty will be designed to ban nuclear weapons tests -> actual explosions! and not tokamaks ffs!! Do you think you cannot tell weapon from experimental fusion design which does not even reach Q>1 ffs??
Fusion experiments - both magnetic confinement fusion (like ITER) and inertial confinement fusion (like NIF) wont even be inspected...

[Forboding Angel]

You probably don't follow politics closely, he got it for massive nuclear disarmament effort he is mounting.

True there are no results yet, but even trying this is courageous.

How can this be true? The nominations closed 10-11 days after he was elected into office.

My reactions? Frankly I wasn't surprised. I had a good laugh. Even funnier than when Al "Doomsday" Gore got it.

I don't think anyone really cares tho tbh.

[Gertkane]

Treaty will be designed to ban nuclear weapons tests -> actual explosions! and not tokamaks

There is a reason tokamaks are just small experimental units and not yet widely usable and efficient. If you do not think there are ways to develop weaponry (even thermonuclear) while making it look like regular science to the rest of the world then there is no reason for me to even try argument with you and your naive views.

Oh and the "EDUCATE YOURSELF!!!11oNEONEONE" line was a good one. It seems that whatever place you got your education from it ended at approx. 5th grade level. Try moving out of Ningbuktu and get some real education and get rid of that naivety you seem to carry.
Thermonuclear energy development will definately need REAL TESTS with REAL EXPLOSIONS (OMG I USE CAPS THAT MEANS IM EDUCATED) even if in a controlled environment and in the same manner weaponry can be developed.

Stopping the weapon test is about stopping the pollution of our world with all the dangerous and nasty effects...

I hadn't actually thought about it that way and i guess you are right. It will do little to stop an apocalypse but it will help at least a little in the way of the survivors not having to fight radiation and mutant warriors Fallout style.

[Master-Athmos]

There is a reason tokamaks are just small experimental units and not yet widely usable and efficient. If you do not think there are ways to develop weaponry (even thermonuclear) while making it look like regular science to the rest of the world then there is no reason for me to even try argument with you and your naive views.

Tokamak & Stellarator fusion reactors are small because it's about basic research of what happens when doing what. There's no need to make them bigger for just that. That's what ITER is about which is the first big-scale fusion reactor which would give more information on how things might work when actually building fusion power plants. The problem is that ITER needs a buttload of money for something that might not create that much progress (fusion is told to be there "soon" for like 50 years)...

You also seem to have no in-depth idea of either what fusion is about and the weapon <-> energy creation relation. Fusion is a pretty nice and clean way of doing things as it doesn't need that much radioactive materials and what gets used isn't nearly as dangerous as uranium (Tritium is a beta radiator with a half-life of like 13 years - it also isn't that unusual as the water you drink already contains tiny amounts of Tritium)...

Research on the fusion reactor just as research on standard nuclear reactors has nothing to do with weapon research and also doesn't do any explosions (especially not fusion as it's about sealing a OMFG hot plasma in a magnetic field being pretty much the opposite of what a weapon should do). So stopping the weapon test has zero influence on any of the civil research on those topics as they use neither the same kind of materials nor do the same (like "exploding" stuff)...

[Gertkane]

Research on the fusion reactor just as research on standard nuclear reactors has nothing to do with weapon research

While i can agree to most of what you said i have issues with this one. I am not saying weapons research = civil research. I am saying that with these types of research and these types of scales a treaty will not stop development and that it will still leave ways to mask scientific work on potential weaponry as actual civil research for most of the world. When i say naive i mean it is retarded to think that a treaty will stop these types of weapon development.

Why i said fusion power development would probably include large scale tests was that while the technology probably can be advanced in a peaceful very small scale manner there is little funding to go around while nuclear technology advanced rapidly at first thanks to its military purposes. I also recall reading an article quite a few years ago where a scientist theoretizised that when thermonuclear large scale tests in space become practical, fusion power will also perform a huge leap. I can't seem to find the article so i may as well have ignored it with this argument here.

Also, do you study this stuff as your main or are you just someone with interest?

[Teutooni]

fusion power development would probably include large scale tests

It's already immensely difficult to contain small scale fusions, why do you think larger scale would help?

[AF]

Actually some plasma based fusion reactors can generate enough power for a medium sized village, several hundred homes, however it would involve continuous rebuilding of the powerplant due to degradation problems. When running radiation given off by the fusion process degrades the walls of the fusion reactor requiring continuous repair work, making it unfeasible.

The current most popular solution to this is to fuse another fuel together which produces almost none of this degrading radiation, known as... Helium-3

[AF]

You lot also forget that fission != fusion

Splitting atoms and fusing atoms arent quite the same thing.

[Gertkane]

Well i know that they are not the same but im not sure if i haven't accidentally used one word instead the other. Kinda got the topic derailed from my original point, that a ban will not completely stop development which some wanted to argue over which seemed naive for me. The discussion of fusion plants is however interesting but my knowledge is limited to the internet and some articles ive read about it which is why im actually accepting other opinions (something i rarely do).

[Master-Athmos]

I am saying that with these types of research and these types of scales a treaty will not stop development and that it will still leave ways to mask scientific work on potential weaponry as actual civil research for most of the world.
[...]
that a ban will not completely stop development which some wanted to argue over which seemed naive for me.

Well no one said a word about stopping the research in nuclear weaponry. It's just about banning to detonate the weapons "just for fun". That of course still leaves the option of secretly continuing to do so but it could be fined if done and uncovered (as it's not THAT easy to hide)...

It's just about the "wasteful" pollution of our world with highly dangerous stuff for no real reason (where the point of such weapons being madness jumps in again)...

Why i said fusion power development would probably include large scale tests was that while the technology probably can be advanced in a peaceful very small scale manner there is little funding to go around while nuclear technology advanced rapidly at first thanks to its military purposes.

Well I really wouldn't say fusion has "little funding". It's just that building an experimental power plant which won't produce power you can sell with extremely expensive parts that get built just and only for that single plant isn't something you can easily fund. That's why ITER took so long to build / fund (ITER's current costs seem to be around 5 billion Ôé¼ - that's nearly 7,5 billion $ nowadays). You also can't really compare it with standard nuclear technology as that advanced rapidly as it's way way more simple to do and control which is why it's widely available nowadays. Having labs producing the needed uranium / plutonium as they were there for military purposes anyway of course made things happen a bit faster...

Also, do you study this stuff as your main or are you just someone with interest?

I studied physics for two years but quit it in favor for materials engineering. I'm pretty interested in fusion though and actually was able to see the day-to-day work at the Textor fusion reactor which was extremely interesting...

It's already immensely difficult to contain small scale fusions, why do you think larger scale would help?

Large scale gives more info on what things will look like in actual power plants and it increases the efficency...

Actually some plasma based fusion reactors can generate enough power for a medium sized village,

Well in the end this is wrong. ITER probably will be the first fusion reactor which actually produces energy. I'm not totally sure about the numbers but afaik JET currently is the most efficent reactor with like 70% of the energy that was invested into it. Maybe you can power a medium sized village from that so your statement would be sort of correct but I really wouldn't phrase it that way as it sounds like the reactor would actually "produce" power...

When running radiation given off by the fusion process degrades the walls of the fusion reactor requiring continuous repair work, making it unfeasible.

Actually I'm not aware of any serious degradation due to the radiation. The problem is the point where the several million degrees hot plasma touches the walls...

[AF]

That too of course, I was going off of an experimental reactor that was on a documentary on discovery channel

[Gertkane]

Now i will do something that i have rarely done during my e-warrior career, i admit Athmos's superior knowledge on the matter.

[Das Bruce]

That too of course, I was going off of an experimental reactor that was on a documentary on discovery channel

Don't listen to the Discovery Channel, it's pure entertainment.

[Gertkane]

That too of course, I was going off of an experimental reactor that was on a documentary on discovery channel

Don't listen to the Discovery Channel, it's pure entertainment.

Yeah statements like that mean you can be taken seriously, even if your statement contains small hints of substance.

[BaNa]

anyway noone wants to make hueg H-bombs anymore they just arent worth it. the road to walk nowdays is smaller scaled tacnukes.

I read somewhere that iran plans to use its reactor as a research reactor, I'm a bit suprised the international community doesnt offer to help with a spallation source rather than a reactor.