Frustrations of a casual player

Frustrations of a casual player

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RogerN
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Frustrations of a casual player

Post by RogerN »

<rant mode on>

Today I got an itch to play Spring after an absence of a few weeks. Things went downhill from there :(

I started up the lobby client, and the first thing I see is a message to update. OK, downloading 20 megs of new stuff... Seems like these updates are being pushed out pretty regularly? It's rather frustrating to have to re-download the entire game every couple of weeks, even if the process is automated.

Download finished. I started up TASClient (yeah, I know it's old and unsupported, but it's what I like)... and it won't start. Error in unitsync.dll. Ok, so my preferred client is now broken.

Started up Springlobby, which I've never used before. The initial startup was nice - it imported my settings from TASClient, which I appreciate. Unfortunately I found the game list to be difficult to use. It was hard to absorb the information for some reason. Sorry I can't be more specific than that. Also, the game list wouldn't sort by more than one column at a time, which was a nice feature of TASClient.

Anyway, I found a game I wanted to spectate. Whoops! New version of Balanced Annihilation. Need to download it.

I switched to the download tab and first tried to find Balanced Annihilation 7.0 visually. But for some reason, even when I clicked on the "Name" column, all of the results were sorted by the hash code. Who the heck sorts stuff by hash code, anyway?

Eventually I found Balanced Annihilation 7.0 and clicked the Download button. Nothing happened. I tried double-clicking it, and nothing happened again. I think it may have appeared in the download list briefly, but was quickly removed. No error message explaining why.

At this point I gave up on using SpringLobby to download. I started up the SpringDownloader application and quickly downloaded what I needed, then restarting SpringLobby.

I join a game (as a spectator), and the game starts. What... the... heck... I'm used to around 60 fps, but the game is running at about 10 fps for some reason. I press F11 and start randomly toggling lua widgets until I find the culprit. Apparently "LolUI" was the biggest offender, and my FPS instantly tripled when I turned it off. The game still runs slower than I remember, but at least it's tolerable.

At this point my wife asks me to look something up for her on Google, so I alt-tab out of the game (dun dun dun!). When I switch back to Spring, the entire map is completely black. All the lighting is screwed up. I know for a fact that alt-tab used to work fine, because I used it regularly. I'm forced to quit the game (since I can't see anything), and I give up on playing or spectating today because I don't have another 30 minutes to waste in the lobby waiting for another game.

Anyway, I hope newbies have a nicer experience with Spring than I had this afternoon.
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Jazcash
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Re: Frustrations of a casual player

Post by Jazcash »

Yeh, most of this stuff has been fixed. You just need to update but I agree, things are a bit chaotic when it comes to finding the right stuff to dl, getting rid of bugged versions, and general Spring setups.

I regularly have problems like these and I always come to the forums or ask some devs for help.

We should provide some sort of on an online Spring support chatroom for people who can't even get on the lobbies to ask for help. Forums aren't the best of places to get things sorted quickly, not to mention most Spring players don't even know about the forums.
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smoth
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Re: Frustrations of a casual player

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Anyway, I hope newbies have a nicer experience with BA than I had this afternoon.
Regret
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Re: Frustrations of a casual player

Post by Regret »

Hi, I made LolUI, fps lowering intended, it's to give me an edge ingame over newbies who use it.

Also, get latest tasclient here: http://tasclient.licho.eu/TASClientLatest.7z
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REVENGE
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Re: Frustrations of a casual player

Post by REVENGE »

smoth wrote:
Anyway, I hope newbies have a nicer experience with BA than I had this afternoon.
I never knew all of those unitsync, client, and graphics corruption problems were the result of BA!
Andrej
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Re: Frustrations of a casual player

Post by Andrej »

When I switch back to Spring, the entire map is completely black. All the lighting is screwed up. I know for a fact that alt-tab used to work fine, because I used it regularly.
Oh this, set 'AtiHacks' to 1, makes alt-tab work for me at least. (try even if you have a NVidia card ..)

I dont remember if you have to edit the registry or just springsettings.cfg someone should know..
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hunterw
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Re: Frustrations of a casual player

Post by hunterw »

every big spring update carries with it new bugs to iron out

just wait a couple weeks and itll be back better than before
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AF
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Re: Frustrations of a casual player

Post by AF »

tbh the spring installer should have been rebuilt already with the latest tasclient etc. We can actually make new releases without updating the engine component!
Tobi
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Re: Frustrations of a casual player

Post by Tobi »

Has been done already half a day ago.

http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... 20#p372520

And no, we can't really easily make new releases without updating the engine. (because of integration with BuildServ etc.)
Regret
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Re: Frustrations of a casual player

Post by Regret »

Tobi wrote:Has been done already half a day ago.

http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... 20#p372520

And no, we can't really easily make new releases without updating the engine. (because of integration with BuildServ etc.)
He meant installer releases.
Tobi
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Re: Frustrations of a casual player

Post by Tobi »

I meant installer releases too.
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