effectiveness of cb'ing best enemy player

[eyu100]

Congratulations, you just pulled the biggest faceplant possible by admitting you did it just to spec that you possible can.
+1 to all of what BaNa said.

So if I am forced to play, I should spec by giving all my stuff (that's what I've switched to recently).

[JohannesH]

Congratulations, you just pulled the biggest faceplant possible by admitting you did it just to spec that you possible can.
+1 to all of what BaNa said.

So if I am forced to play, I should spec by giving all my stuff (that's what I've switched to recently).

You shouldnt spec then?

[Beherith]

Speccing is a privilege, not a right.
You are being extremely selfish, I honestly think that you seeing nothing wrong with what you are doing is apalling, since you are ruining the game for up to 15 others.
Im warning you here and now, if you pull this give at start or commbomb enemy just so you can spec, I will see to it that your welcome is worn out on that host.

[hunterw]

im frankly amazed that in 8v8 games people *arent* expecting combomb

[pintle]

Combomb is as valid and meaningful a choice as flash spam. If the game is balanced so that starting with cb is a rewarding choice... Cry more or play a better game.

Eyu did nothing wrong in combombing, it is no lamer than cbing somebody's krow etc. Idiot "pros" need to learn that BA on giant porc maps= make aa. Ffs you most likely have your own air player, tell him to make fighters.

So much whining from experienced players.

Also Regret complaining about combomb is just hilarious.

[Beherith]

Im not complaining about the commbomb, since its a valid choice . Its the reason why hes doing is what pissed me off. Hes doing it just so he can go to spec - all the while hes giving the enemy 5k metal, which is seriously fucked up. Hes also gold star or vet, dont recall, but him doing this nearly spells a death sentence for his team.

Noone cares if you dont like 8v8 games, you can be all elitist and say 8v8 sucks, but that is the majority of games played - whether you like it or not, and issues regarding it can and should be able to be discussed without some so called "pros" coming in and saying 8v8 is for noobs.

Just because you dont like a specific form of games doesnt mean you have to take a shit on it to boost your ego/justify your specific flavor of games.

[Regret]

Combomb is as valid and meaningful a choice as flash spam. If the game is balanced so that starting with cb is a rewarding choice... Cry more or play a better game.

Eyu did nothing wrong in combombing, it is no lamer than cbing somebody's krow etc. Idiot "pros" need to learn that BA on giant porc maps= make aa. Ffs you most likely have your own air player, tell him to make fighters.

So much whining from experienced players.

Also Regret complaining about combomb is just hilarious.

Congratulations on completely misunderstanding the issue.

[pintle]

What exactly is the "issue" Regret? I'm here to lul at BA balance making combomb so rewarding.

That, and to lol at you of all people going apeshit over CB.

@Behe: was that aimed at me? I play a lot of games, 1v1, team and ffa. If I prefer any its a mid sized clan match like a 3v3.
Combombing the enemy players, if done correctly, actually gives you metal, as you get 2 com corpses, and be spamming units in the enemy start position.


Suiciding so you can spec is pretty lame, but if you execute it well, you are helping, not hurting your team.

[Regret]

What exactly is the "issue" Regret? I'm here to lul at BA balance making combomb so rewarding.

That, and to lol at you of all people going apeshit over CB.

Suiciding so you can spec is pretty lame, but if you execute it well, you are helping, not hurting your team.

The issue is that he is a clueless newbie that suicides/gives away units at start to spectate games on autohosts where there is a spectator limit or where spectating is disabled.

[JohannesH]

Serial combombing can be a winning strat if the whole team executes it properly, but thats beside the point. Just dont base your strategy around getting to spec!

[Gota]

Serial combombing is THE strategy in 8v8 dsd fests.
of course since those games are mostly comprised of randoms its vhard to pull off nice moves like this.

[eyu100]

him doing this nearly spells a death sentence for his team.

The first time I tried to combomb, the other team had JiZaH and a bunch of noobs. I killed all of JiZaH's units and gave my air lab to a skilled ally--I don't see how that hurt my team.

edit: I also don't combomb when there are too many good enemy players and it would obviously hurt my team.

edit2:

gold star or vet

vet (almost all from speccing)

[JohannesH]

Serial combombing is THE strategy in 8v8 dsd fests.
of course since those games are mostly comprised of randoms its vhard to pull off nice moves like this.

Only against randoms though, cause if the enemy expects it they can rush fighters etc., but it would be a totally different metagame if the dsd teams actually coordinated so its impossible to say how it would form if there was a competitive scene of dsd 8v8...

[BaNa]

I question the validity of a combomb at the very start, it is rather gay. No problem with combombing later on but lets not condone weasel tactics.

Only thing gayer than this is combombing at start in a ffa game (unless you are taking the piss out of a clanmate ).

I think that knowingly joining a game to give your com at start also unbalances said game, because if you give the com to a good player, he can spam epic flash.

[pintle]

I question the validity of a combomb at the very start, it is rather gay. No problem with combombing later on but lets not condone weasel tactics.

In the context of organised team play (where the bomber will be given units), I see no problem. Ruling it out is just as much an arbitrary rule as saying "10 mins no rush".

[JohannesH]

I question the validity of a combomb at the very start, it is rather gay. No problem with combombing later on but lets not condone weasel tactics.

In the context of organised team play (where the bomber will be given units), I see no problem. Ruling it out is just as much an arbitrary rule as saying "10 mins no rush".

Nobodys ruling out tactics, but motives.

[KaiserJ]

...forced to play...

so... let me get this straight. you didn't want to play, but since you decided you wanted to spec, you throw the game away for your team? "forced to play" as if you HAD to go into the game and do that; have you ever heard of adune.nl ? let me fill you in. its a replay site, people upload games that are worth watching. if you cannot spec, download a replay and watch it.

early combomb aside : playing with a veteran star, that is made up mostly of spectime, cripples your team. it means your team gets someone like you, and the other team gets someone who is an actual veteran. never use your veteran account to play; start a new account, spec it up to three bars, and then use THAT account to play in order to avoid imbalances.

are you familiar with the concept of "armchair quarterbacking" ? thats what they call it when someone watches a lot of sports, claims to be an expert, but has little to no actual experience. IMO, you don't have enough actual ingame experience to make the call as to whether or not you help or hinder the team by combombing right off the bat; you have a TON of veterans who i would consider to be good players right here in this thread telling you it's not a worthwhile tactic.

to re-iterate : if you did that to my teammate (and it wouldnt be to me, im certainly no pro and am rarely the best on a team) i can just go and suck the metal and churn out a massive force of tanks, OR tech up, OR do both. you are pretty much handing me the game, with 5k metal right next to my base. you might as well just self-d your commander right off the bat so at least YOUR team can benefit from the metal and the game can maintain a semblance of balance.

if you enjoy speccing so much, then wouldn't it follow that you'd like to watch a balanced match? combomb aside, giving your commander away at the start generally causes a pretty big problem as well... this is why people re a game when someone drops at the start. i find the fact that you have vet star from speccing, and haven't thought this over very puzzling.

pintle : i really dont feel that the early combomb IS effective... but the whole issue here is the motive for it; it's not even a tactic, he just wants to be a spec... i think we all agree this is a very selfish thing to do.

/flabbergastage

[eyu100]

to re-iterate : if you did that to my teammate (and it wouldnt be to me, im certainly no pro and am rarely the best on a team) i can just go and suck the metal and churn out a massive force of tanks, OR tech up, OR do both. you are pretty much handing me the game, with 5k metal right next to my base. you might as well just self-d your commander right off the bat so at least YOUR team can benefit from the metal and the game can maintain a semblance of balance.

If you were the only good player on the team and I bombed you, the other players might not have the skill to use the metal properly. I agree that combombing a team full of good players is a really bad idea, though.

[MR.D]

If T1 commander transport wasn't available, little punk kids that want to abuse it wouldn't be able to, and things like this would be a non-issue.

Its one of those "Just because I can" type of things.

Combombing may seem like its some OMFG elite tactic, but it does ruin many games, and if you deny it, you're part of the problem.

[Regret]

If T1 commander transport wasn't available, little punk kids that want to abuse it wouldn't be able to, and things like this would be a non-issue.

Its one of those "Just because I can" type of things.

Combombing may seem like its some OMFG elite tactic, but it does ruin many games, and if you deny it, you're part of the problem.

Selfding units at start ruins many games, making several labs at start ruins game, generally sucking ruins many games, making nothing but solars and metal makers until 20min ruins many games.

Its all one of those "Just because I can" type of things.

They may all seem like its some OMFG eleeet tactic, but it does ruin many games, and if you deny it, you're the problem!1