New Hampshire becomes 6th US state to legalise gay marriage

[Gota]

Kinda silly to be gay and want kids...
If you don't have arms don't expect to be a piano player.

[PicassoCT]

Yeah, what else is Offspring than passing on your Genes.. we do it just like the DNAsaurors-- we shit the Eggs in a Hole and forget about them!

Seriously, beeing a parent is about more than that, you can pass on a whole bundle of knowledge, love for music, interests- and you can encounter resistance, rebellion, which may get off your usual laid tracks, something getting more and more seldom, the older you get...

And saying that Childs with Gay Parents get a damage is like telling that singleparent raised childs are damaged.. it┬┤s simply not true. Childs can find there Bondpersons wherever they want, if your parents are overprotective or careless- only if they don┬┤t find them, you get damages and failbehaviour.

[Pxtl]

Kinda silly to be gay and want kids...
If you don't have arms don't expect to be a piano player.

Wait, so men don't have kids now? Wow, my son's going to be disappointed to hear he doesn't have a dad. Your dad is probably pretty confused too.

Men can't give birth. Doesn't mean they can't be parents.

[Spawn_Retard]

unlucky for you pxtl, firing blanks and all.

[daan 79]

There are really more advantages to have a dad and a mom. Even so you cant force ppl your opinion as a way they should life ther lifes. A child woudnt want it either. If any one would chooce as an adult what he would prefer for himself i bet most ppl will like a man/women family.

[Neddie]

I wouldn't.

[Gota]

Well,your special..
No hands dont be a piano player means if you want to be gay(cant have kids) why would you expect to have kids..
Egg stealers..

[KaiserJ]

i'd rather have a gay dad than a basement dad

[Gota]

Basement dad?you mean a dad with a WOW account?

[JohannesH]

Well,your special..
No hands dont be a piano player means if you want to be gay(cant have kids) why would you expect to have kids..
Egg stealers..

I dont see how adopting kids would be stealing... If they are good parents everyone benefits. And of course gays can have kids... Just not with their partners

Maybe being a straight couple is a benefit in raising kids, but it's not a defining thing whether you will be a good parent or not.

[bobthedinosaur]

the average gay male family can offer much more than the average straight family, financial wise. but then again there are a lot of shitty straight families out there dragging that average down.

[Forboding Angel]

No they aren't.

At what point is this unclear?

"If a man should lay with another man, it is an abomination to the lord."

That's unclear?

That's beside the part where a woman is unclean while she is having her period, and she must sit in her tent for 10 days. At the end of the 10 days all her clothes must be burned as well as anything she has sat on. If a man sleeps with a woman while she is unclean he must be stoned to death for it is an abomination against the Lord. Right?

According to the old testament, yes. As fucked up as it is, it only applied to the Jews. It is a common belief that not all the old laws were exactly a bad thing. The ten commandments for example.

I didn't bring it up btw, he did. He said it was unclear, and I disagreed.

As I said, fine, go ahead and get hitched with all the trappings, just do me a favor and don't call it "Marriage". How about "Garriage"?

[Elkvis]

Gay Dolphins? Oh, thats why- fuck you Nature. I never ve done you anything, why did you ruin my holidayz?

ahhahaha, every male bottle nose dolphin is gay.

2 males pair together for life. And give each other the dolphin equivalent of oral sex on a regular basis. In breeding season they find groups of chicks together, the rest of the time its pure man on man.

I should point out that the dolphin is the second most intelligent life form on the planet, after mice, AND more seriously appear to be one of the only other animals on the planet that have sex for pleasure.

There are some species of gorilla that have sex with everyone and everything in their family unit for pleasure; more or less 100% of the time. And i mean family unit and everyone. We don't like to think about them.

There are really more advantages to have a dad and a mom. Even so you cant force ppl your opinion as a way they should life ther lifes. A child woudnt want it either. If any one would chooce as an adult what he would prefer for himself i bet most ppl will like a man/women family.

there are no advantages in any way. Why? Because individuals are so vastly varied. You can't talk about a normal parent because that stereotype simply does not exist.

As I said, fine, go ahead and get hitched with all the trappings, just do me a favor and don't call it "Marriage". How about "Garriage"?

Why not marriage? I think it is terribly insulting for any institution to claim to own marriage. It is a concept that predates civilization itself. it is a concept that was forged before we were nomadic tribes of savages, its a concept that exists in the natural world. For the state, the church or any group to claim to own its definition is revolting.

The idea that simply changing the name will make things better is insulting. It is a similar solution to segregated seating on a bus; some seats for the the white folks and some seats for the blacks. It is desire to actively deny, even symbolically, equal recognition. Marriage is ours, we own the idea; you can have something similar but we don't want encroaching on our concept.

That is the naive ignorant arrogant bullshit.

I don't believe gay are asking to be married in your churches. The moral right wing should release their ridiculous hold on an abstract notion of partnership.

Kinda silly to be gay and want kids...
If you don't have arms don't expect to be a piano player.

Flawed analogy. Homosexuality and a disability are not similar enough to make that valid. The only reason it would be is when fucksticks like yourself exist in high enough concentration. Luckily for me, not in my little corner of the world.

[Gota]

LoL...
I think you are too serious on the interwebs again...
BlaBlaBla gay power..Elkavis are you gay?
I liked how you wrote about the gorillas...so your saying it is ok to have sex with your kids?
Maybe that we should think about makign this acceptable?
Dads marrying their daughters mothers their sons...Sure why not..Live and let live,right?
Guess what,this is human society,we are not chimps or dolphins or guerrillas.
Sure we are a lot like them,but we are not them.
By your reasoning incest should be accepted and even people making kids with all sorts of defects cause of genetic similarity of the parents..
I mean,so what if the kids have high chances of being defected? who says we should not allow them to be as well?
Except the biological and genetic issues there is also the social aspect.

This is how i see these issues:
Society accepts something but rejects other things.
For whatever reasons it make these choices there are no generally good or bad ones...
As far as i see it,it is a battle of wills.
Gay people fight to be recognized and to normalize their behavior while some religious groups(for example) fight against it.
What is the better position?there is none except,what you yourself decide is better(probably based on your own view of the world)..
If I do not think gay is ok than i will be against gay rights as i do not want to see the society i live in soaked in it.
My reasons would be a matter of habit,or religious issues or whatever else there is out there but it doesn't matter..I(for the sake of argument) want society in a certain state while gay people want it in another.Why should i succumb to their desire?it does not please me.why should i adopt to it?
How liberal should society be?Can you tell me if it is better for Society to be more liberal for the long run?why is that better for me if i am already considered normal?
As i said i see it as a battle of points of view.
At the end nothing is more right in some absolute way So the only reason for someone to be advocating gay rights is cause he is gay or someone he cares about is gay and wants gay rights.
There is no better or worse for society.
It just exists and whoever or whatever group has more influence or power to influence steers society to a certain direction...

IN these cases there is no absolute "better POV"only a personal "better" or "worse".
My View cannot be better than your view in an absolute manner only from my perspective and it is my job,if i care about my world view enough and oppose yours enough,for whatever reasons(which are all bogus from the point of view that is outside of humanity),to make sure i manage to come up with a good way of convincing everyone my view is best by making arguments based on "reason" or other "facts" and "evidance" which i can substantiate as such.

[Elkvis]

I was just hoping get a decent reaction from you.

edit: oh you added bits, i did.

[JohannesH]

Guess what,this is human society,we are not chimps or dolphins or guerrillas.

Guerillas are not human? Well that's the israeli POV maybe

[smoth]

Guerillas are not human? Well that's the american POV maybe

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pretty sure that december stunt was guerilla shit.

oh how my countrymen forget.

[bobthedinosaur]

no smoth it was like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbRom1Rz8OA

[Journier]

Guerillas are not human? Well that's the american POV maybe

fixed for political shitstorm


oh how my countrymen forget.

we werent entirely guerilla's ^_^ we tried a few standing fights and got our armies asses kicked

after that we just tried harder

Also, hope you guys heard, Obama who alot of democrats thought would change things just announced he wants the Gay Marriage ban to continue.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/16355867/Obam ... riage-case

[Gota]

Obama is gay.