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CommanderZx2 · Post by **CommanderZx2** » 21 Oct 2005, 12:49

*Throws peanuts at everyone for being ignored*

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 21 Oct 2005, 14:34

CommanderZx2 wrote:*Throws peanuts at everyone for being ignored*

What, did someone say something?

Seriously, it sounds like it's most likely an outdated graphic driver issue. If the default's give you lag issues you can try getting an updated third party driver like Omega Drivers (not nessicarly the best, just the only one I know off the top of my head). Make sure you are properly removing your current drivers when ever you install new drivers. Driver conflicts are the most frustrating, confusing, unpredicatble things you will ever encounter. Infact your FPS problems with new drivers sounds like it could be a run of the mill driver conflict. You never know what will go wrong when you don't update drivers properly, you just know it will be something unexpected and frustrating.

If you get some newer drivers working, but the problem persists... I don't know, blame virii??

CommanderZx2 · Post by **CommanderZx2** » 21 Oct 2005, 16:18

SwiftSpear wrote:
CommanderZx2 wrote:*Throws peanuts at everyone for being ignored*
Seriously, it sounds like it's most likely an outdated graphic driver issue. If the default's give you lag issues you can try getting an updated third party driver like Omega Drivers (not nessicarly the best, just the only one I know off the top of my head). Make sure you are properly removing your current drivers when ever you install new drivers. Driver conflicts are the most frustrating, confusing, unpredicatble things you will ever encounter. Infact your FPS problems with new drivers sounds like it could be a run of the mill driver conflict. You never know what will go wrong when you don't update drivers properly, you just know it will be something unexpected and frustrating.

If you get some newer drivers working, but the problem persists... I don't know, blame virii??

It can't be a driver conflict caused by not properly removing the current drivers, because the problem still occurs even if I format my HDD. Going to try the Omega drivers now.
Upate: Omega drivers still crash it, but I get normal FPS using them.

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 22 Oct 2005, 05:33

Scan your ram stability? If it's a persisting problem after you reformat is suggests a hardware problem... which is very odd.

CommanderZx2 · Post by **CommanderZx2** » 22 Oct 2005, 19:11

SwiftSpear wrote:Scan your ram stability? If it's a persisting problem after you reformat is suggests a hardware problem... which is very odd.

I don't see how a hardware problem could be limited to a single game in existance. Also the fps problems only start with 7x.xx drivers and don't occur with anything before that. Spring won't work no matter what drivers I use, even if I use the latest.

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 22 Oct 2005, 21:23

Here's the deal, Spring isn't very stable at this point, if anything in it bugs out, even a unit being in 2 places at once, it can crash... any kind of system instability (especcially if it has been noted in other programs after changing drivers) is going to be worse in something like Spring... I don't know what's wrong with your system but I would recomend that instead of saying "I don't see how a hardware problem could be limited to a single game in existance" you instead try and then come back and say "I scanned my ram and I couldn't find a problem, any other suggestions". If you are asking someone for help you have to assume they know more about the subject then you, so don't second guess their suggestions unless you feel they will cause more harm then good.

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 23 Oct 2005, 13:27

CommanderZx2 wrote:
SwiftSpear wrote:Scan your ram stability? If it's a persisting problem after you reformat is suggests a hardware problem... which is very odd.
I don't see how a hardware problem could be limited to a single game in existance. Also the fps problems only start with 7x.xx drivers and don't occur with anything before that. Spring won't work no matter what drivers I use, even if I use the latest.

Well, lots of hardware incompatability issues come up only with certain software combinations in certain situations. Most professionally developed games have alot more testing time before releases and much larger testing teams then spring had. The fact that your error box is listing memory locations suggests that there is something wrong with the game putting data in those locations, or some peice of hardware at those memory adresses is whining about something the software is doing. Either one can mean alot of things, but I'm not trained in deciphering windows error messages, so all I can really give you is guesses. It's VERY possible to have one game being sensitive to hardware problems when others aren't. Games tend to push systems to thier limits like no other peice of software, sometimes that means they strike something in the works that just isn't right that every other peice of software either skips by or ignores.

I used to have hardcrashes that would totally freeze up my computer every time I played HL2 or HL2 mods, and no other game would cause them. What it acctually was was the physics engine keeping my processor at a constant high load to the point where it would slowly overheat over time. I didn't figure out what the hell was wrong until I pulled the fan off my CPU heatsync and found it was totally full of dust and crud. The only piece of software the caused the crashes was HL2, yet it still wasn't a software problem, it was a hardware problem.

BadMan · Post by **BadMan** » 24 Oct 2005, 04:30

Overclocking? Latest DX?

I'm just throwing stuff out here....

ZeratulTheDT · Post by **ZeratulTheDT** » 07 Nov 2005, 02:32

I was about to post a new thread about this, but luckily I found this one. I have the exact same problem, I can play on the "empty script" single player, but nothing else (and I do mean *nothing*) works.

I tried lowering all the graphics settings. I tried disabling certain ones. I tried the lowest resolution with all graphics lowest. Absolutely nothing works, it still crashes every single time.... Suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

My specs:

OS: Windows XP Home Edition
OS Service Pack: SP2
Directx: 9.0c
CPU Type: AMD Athlon 64, 2250 MHz (11x205) 3500+
Graphics Card: Geforce 6800 GT (256 MB)
Driver for Graphics Card: Omega (latest)
RAM: 1024 MB (PC3200 DDR SDRAM)
Hard Drive: 150 GB hard drive partitioned, (C: & D:) a minimum of 15 GBs of free space on both partitions.

RAM is completely stable, have had this computer for around a year or more with absolutely no problems.

Hope to get an answer to this soon. If you have any questions about my system specifications, please ask.

Post by **jcnossen** » 07 Nov 2005, 02:36

Did you send the crashdump?

ZeratulTheDT · Post by **ZeratulTheDT** » 07 Nov 2005, 02:40

Yes I did. Also, when I try the "SWTA Test" it says "Couldnt find unittype REBCOM".

Every other time it says "Spring has encountered a problem and needs to close"...

The only thing I can load is the empty script, so I'm guessing that there's a bug built into one of your units that has an issue with something regarding my general high-end computer specs.

Edit: Just sent you a second error dump, I'll check back later today/tomorrow to see if there's a fix available. Thanks for the help.

FolCan · Post by **FolCan** » 07 Nov 2005, 04:13

is it just me or do both of them have 64bit cpus.. perhaps that is the problem

ZeratulTheDT · Post by **ZeratulTheDT** » 07 Nov 2005, 04:48

If that's the problem then I'm screwed, cuz I'm not switching it

hopefully they'll be able to diagnose the problem and either provide me with a particular fix or patch it...

Maelstrom · Post by **Maelstrom** » 07 Nov 2005, 05:36

Just out of curiosity, try using regular drivers. You dont need to keep them or anything, you can revert straight back to the old ones afterwards, but if you could try with the regular nVidia drivers just to rule out that possibility. Probably wont fix anything, and it may be the 64bit CPU, but its worth a try.

ZeratulTheDT · Post by **ZeratulTheDT** » 07 Nov 2005, 17:16

I'm a major RTS gamer, and the omega drives help significantly with FPS and graphics quality... I'd rather not mess with switching them until I know from an admin that it's really necessary. I'm guessing they have coders and such that could either A. know exactly what the problem is or B. know in general what's causing it...

So unless I hear something that really makes sense (it "possibly" could be the driver, but that's as unlikely as hell considering the other guy didn't use omegas i think) I'm gonna wait for the official word.

FizWizz · Post by **FizWizz** » 07 Nov 2005, 18:12

Can someone fill me in on what Omega Drivers are?

AF · Post by AF » 07 Nov 2005, 20:53

Nvidia provides their big driver installer that works for every graphics card in th geforce range and a few more.

But others have taken those drivers and edited thems somewhat so they might have better quality as a tradeoff of speed, or better speed as a tradeoff of quality. An example of that would be drivers such as starstorm or omega.

ZeratulTheDT · Post by **ZeratulTheDT** » 07 Nov 2005, 21:12

Yes, and they also perform in general far better than the Nvidia drivers because of that, and the coder spending time optimizing the drivers.

FLOZi · Post by **FLOZi** » 08 Nov 2005, 15:14

Maelstrom wrote:Just out of curiosity, try using regular drivers. You dont need to keep them or anything, you can revert straight back to the old ones afterwards, but if you could try with the regular nVidia drivers just to rule out that possibility. Probably wont fix anything, and it may be the 64bit CPU, but its worth a try.

I have an Athlon 64 and Spring is smooth as silk.

ZeratulTheDT · Post by **ZeratulTheDT** » 08 Nov 2005, 23:50

Thanks for rubbing that in my face

I'm going to go sob in a corner now.

Spring RTS Engine

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