Installer Direction

[AF]

Since the removal of all content, I think we need to discuss what happens next.

As I've already raised in another thread we shouldn't make users download through the installer as its misleading and it can become problematic if the computer the installer runs on has no internet or limited connection ( which is perfectly possible in this day and age ).



I would also offer up a second suggestion that we make a version of the installer that is bulkier, in that it contains extra stuff such as a basic AI SDK, the lobby protocol documentation, mingwlibs, vclibs, spring source code, and a working LAN server.

This way we would have the streamlined spring engine installer, and a heavier installer for development purposes, writting AIs, or lobby clients/bots etc. Those who want cutting edge or want to write engine patches can pull from the official git repo. Those who just want the binaries to play mods and maps can get the streamlined version.

[aegis]

spring source code? <_<

[Auswaschbar]

While I agree with you that the LAN server should be included, I think that most of the other stuff is both completely useless without an internet connection and unnecessary.

I, of course, won't stop you from doing one, I only doubt its in any way worth the effort.

[aegis]

uberserver can actually be included with probably less than 100kb increase, since the python dll is already there

[Auswaschbar]

uberserver can actually be included with probably less than 100kb increase, since the python dll is already there

Except that it don't work. I included TAServer for now.

[aegis]

Except that it don't work.

it's been a functional LAN server for over a year if memory serves right, but whatever.

[tizbac]

actually it works but it's slow. for a lan server is ok since it's really rare reaching more than 50 users

[aegis]

maybe your copy is slow... mine's not.

[tombom]

maybe your copy is slow... mine's not.

Oh, that's nice.

[Auswaschbar]

Your copy seems to be the only one that works OK

[aegis]

probably because I'm the developer and I haven't pushed my git repo.

[lurker]

why..not..?

It doesn't count as 'uberserver' until it's in the main repo.

[aegis]

it was uberserver for months before there *was* a repo on sl.info

so my hard drive officially contains the main repo.

[zwzsg]

I thought this thread was about how the current installer is direly lacking maps, mods, instructions, springsettings, and other basic stuff needed to play, and I was about to tiredless plug my KP installer.

But then I read "AI SDK" and "the lobby protocol documentation" I guess everybody sees midday at his door (you make AI and lobbies so you think about making AI and lobbies), but that sound a bit out of place for an installer. Then I liked the days where I could download Spring Source without having to guess to which repo they moved this month.

[hoijui]

do not worry, there will not be an AI SDK shipped with a spring installer.

having a single repo that does not change every month... that is just not the spring way of things. it had to be changed!

[lurker]

I think he means actual repo moves, which has happened what, twice in years?

[hoijui]

yeah... i know what he means...
there was a wek or os, i think in february or march, where we used an other repo, casue the github one was messed up somehow, and in january we moved from SVN to git... and if you do not stay up to date with the repo every day, but only every few weeks, you could have easily gotten the impression that it changes every month.

[Argh]

Meh, just include SpringSettings / SpringLobby (with updates), and it's fine. It's really annoying to have to download that every time.

[AF]

I still think that its the responsibility of game developers in this community to package their own content into their own installers.

Kernel panic installer containing kernel panic content made by kernel panic developers is a prime example of the correct way to do this, and the spring engine redistributable or installe should be kept devoid fo content beyond the necessary stuff to make the engine work.

[imbaczek]

I still think that its the responsibility of game developers in this community to package their own content into their own installers.

This. zwzsg gets it, Argh gets it, S44 team gets it, only *A people need some... attitude adjustment