Subforums for the larger mods

[IllvilJa]

IMHO, there are gaming communities out there that I find far more problematic than the Spring community when considering hostile attitude and lack of constructive behavior. Far more problematic.

Argh, I'm a bit puzzled that you are deciding to quit discussing P.U.R.E on this forum and that the creation of these subforums for larger mods seem to be the event triggering it (even if other events perhaps is the actual cause of the decision). I've found the threads about P.U.R.E being among the better ones, that is, less general bullshit and less general rudeness so I cannot really see the things you write about. But you might perceive things differently, being one of the more active participants in those threads. Also, you refer to stuff that is from far before I joined this forum ca 10 to 12 months ago so sure, that's another potential reason I might find your reactions a bit difficult to follow.

I honestly did consider P.U.R.E being one of the reasons for creating a subforum for larger mods, and I would find it supportive at least for me as a forum member to have such a subforum created for P.U.R.E. But if you, as one of the creators of P.U.R.E, don't see a point in it, well, then you don't.

But I'm still a bit confused by your direction in this thread.

[Argh]

Dude, you just threw a hissy fit that you weren't going to post updates about your mod here anymore because a feature most people liked, and you yourself suggested four months ago, got implemented.

Actually, it's not what I suggested at all. I suggested that game designers be allowed to police their own release threads, and that we end this nonsense where we're basically supposed to put up with random bullshit from trolls.

The end result of the changes made is fine, aside from the obviously un-egalitarian side. That worries me, but it's a long-term worry.

As for the confusion... meh. I wish I'd taken a screenshot at the time, but I didn't. There was a good reason to ask for a change. No good reason to be as pissy as I was, except that I hadn't slept in nearly 24 hours and I've been in crunch on my game for nearly 2 months straight now. It's impossible to describe how tired I am, or how glad I'll be when P.U.R.E. is finally done.

At any rate, I guess I'm hearing a lot of, "why won't you admit you fucked up and over-reacted, and just get a sub-forum" here.

I'll think about it, when I get through with the next release.

[smoth]

we all have stresses in our lives argh, your choice to physically strain yourself is not any excuse.

I am not sure I understand why or how you have the time to devote to working on this sort of project without it effecting your paying work. Just strikes me as odd is all, unless you have real life things pressing you I don't really understand the rational of pushing yourself so hard. It is your life but it is said that physical activities produce endorphins and maybe getting away from your project would help you clear your mind and make solving issues easier?

I have spent over 70 hours straight up before, so don't say it is impossible to understand, people do it all the time. If you know you are going to be snappy, and lets face it both of us can be it is best to disappear and rest before posting something. This is just a project, there are single parents who work harder than any of us do on our projects. Look at the project as a training lesson for the efforts you will have to make some day should you generate progeny.

All of that being said, I don't see why you need a forum here, you say moddb has everything covered... do you not realize that you can have a forum on there for pure? you can.

[Boirunner]

The changes made should have been made ages ago. Then I probably would have wanted to stay, and would have made more of an effort to direct outside-world traffic here. But the chance to do that was when I first brought this up, which was, shit, over two years ago IIRC, or even four months ago, when I brought it up again after the bullshit with Merc Squad nearly made me quit being here at all. Too little, too late, every goddamn time.

Dude, you just threw a hissy fit that you weren't going to post updates about your mod here anymore because a feature most people liked, and you yourself suggested four months ago, got implemented.

Actually, it's not what I suggested at all.

The fun thing about the internet is that you can't really deny having said dumb things, because the proof is just a click or two away.

[Pxtl]

Well, I think he wants a forum here just so he can have admin powers over discussion of PURE. Which, really, if everybody else is getting that privilege, I don't see why he wouldn't want it.

[SwiftSpear]

Dude, you just threw a hissy fit that you weren't going to post updates about your mod here anymore because a feature most people liked, and you yourself suggested four months ago, got implemented.

Actually, it's not what I suggested at all. I suggested that game designers be allowed to police their own release threads, and that we end this nonsense where we're basically supposed to put up with random bullshit from trolls.

The end result of the changes made is fine, aside from the obviously un-egalitarian side. That worries me, but it's a long-term worry.

As for the confusion... meh. I wish I'd taken a screenshot at the time, but I didn't. There was a good reason to ask for a change. No good reason to be as pissy as I was, except that I hadn't slept in nearly 24 hours and I've been in crunch on my game for nearly 2 months straight now. It's impossible to describe how tired I am, or how glad I'll be when P.U.R.E. is finally done.

At any rate, I guess I'm hearing a lot of, "why won't you admit you fucked up and over-reacted, and just get a sub-forum" here.

I'll think about it, when I get through with the next release.

This is the only way PHPBB3 can be set up so anyone having anything to do with a mod can police content on this forum.

[zwzsg]

In fact I don't really like that modders are allowed to police content of their forums, beside sticky/unsticky. Modding a game, and moderating an internet forum, are different skillsets, you can have one and not the other.

I'm also of the opinion that deleting anyone post should never be done, except in the case of spam bots, and extremely gross post. And editing other's posts is even worse.

[Warlord Zsinj]

Agreed; I think that modders with their own boards should still conform to the general spring board rules, and must defer in authority to the Spring moderators.

But really, if a modmaker is being a tool, all the worse for their mod.

[==Troy==]

I might not be around these forums much, but I have to completely agree with 2 posts above. Giving such an ability to modders will cause a LOT of critisism being removed. I can tolerate that on THEIR forums, because its theirs, but here on spring, I trust the moderators which are set by the spring dev people, who do not care about the mods (in this sence of course) and will only follow the rules, and not some impulsive judgement. (especially makes me think about smoth vs Argh arguments on moddb forums.)

[Beherith]

except in the case of spam bots

http://springrts.com/phpbb/viewtopic.ph ... ow#p347456

Perfectly justifiable :)

[SwiftSpear]

I gave game builders the ability to moderate their own forums because I don't have the time or staff to moderate 10 new semi active forums to degree our current forums have been getting moderated. I've already warned people, if they cause drama in their public forums I'm deleting them. You can't ban people. If you want the ability to choose who posts in your forums and who does not, make it a private forum. In a matter of few words, if you can't be trusted to treat the members of this board fairly, I can't be bothered to maintain your subforum.

[lurker]

Swift may not be willing to, but I'll take the time to ban people if you ask.

[SwiftSpear]

It's not that I don't have time. If someone is doing something inappropriate in a mod subforum, report them, and they'll stop or risk getting banned from the whole forum. I am willing to tell users they aren't allowed to post in X mod forum if I think they have a tendency to harass people because of their behavior in that forum or flame or whatever.

I'm not willing to entertain "I just don't like X user, so I'm going to not allow them to post in my forum" though. It's stupid, those are members of our forums, I didn't give out subforums so our members could be discriminated against.

[Otherside]

It's not that I don't have time. If someone is doing something inappropriate in a mod subforum, report them, and they'll stop or risk getting banned from the whole forum. I am willing to tell users they aren't allowed to post in X mod forum if I think they have a tendency to harass people because of their behavior in that forum or flame or whatever.

I'm not willing to entertain "I just don't like X user, so I'm going to not allow them to post in my forum" though. It's stupid, those are members of our forums, I didn't give out subforums so our members could be discriminated against.

afaik the BA subforum has disallowed certain people from posting in it.

[lurker]

I just saw it as an extension of the "Ask the mods to keep X out of your threads" policy. No?

The current BA ban is probably premature, though.

[SwiftSpear]

I just saw it as an extension of the "Ask the mods to keep X out of your threads" policy. No?

The current BA ban is probably premature, though.

That has always been subjective to the judgement of the moderator. Like I say, if we feel that having a user posting in X thread, or Y forum is just flamebait, then we have reason to keep them from doing so. It's not subject to the judgement of OP, although their input might be a significant contributing factor to our decision.