SwiftSpear wrote:WARNING, WALL OF TEXT!
Some guy made a comment that only positive things are mentioned on the descriptions, so I listed some negatives. Negatives are a little tricky, since intelligent people, irrelevant of personality type, tend to work on their weaknesses so they usually aren't outright blatant. They show up more in extremes, people with X personality type are more likely to have problems with Y characteristic, and they are less likely to be amongst people considered gifted and talented in Y characteristic. It's not to say that an INTJ can't be highly socially active, or charismatic, and certainly they rarely miscommunicate their ideas or poorly craft things they intend to say... but...
My post was also intended to be specific to INTJ personality type. My source, "Please Understand Me II" by David Keirsey (great book, get it) tends to focus more heavily on the personality split between 4 major personality categories, NF(abstract cooperator) SJ(Concrete Cooperator) NT(Abstract Utilitarian) SP(Concrete Utilitarian)... Consequently, alot of things you seem to think I'm attributing to introverted personality types, are actually more general traits I'm trying to construct regarding NT personalities. From my experience introversion seems to be more a psychological construct relating to how your hormonal levels react at the subconscious level to the energies of people around you. Extroverted people are easily energized in a crowded place full of excited people, where as introverts what would more closely be described as trepidated. Introverts seem to tie into people on a 1 to 1 level naturally, so they get drained and overstretched attempting to feed into the energy of the crowd for example. That doesn't mean they can't be good public speakers though either, especially with some personality setups. NT's for example tend to be good at any speaking that is rehearsed, because they generally have an easy time breaking complicated ideas into their systemic parts, which gives them a unique ability to say exactly what they want to say exactly how they want to say it, if they are given a bit of time to think it through first. Because introverted people's energy levels recharge while they are alone, much of their best work comes when they have time to separate themselves and digest, where as extroverts seem to be the people who come up with their best ideas and their best work while other people are surrounding them.
Introverts aren't naturally poor speakers, or socially unaware... some categories of introverts tend to personify different social weaknesses... NT introverts for example tend to miss emotional cues more, since they don't really instinctually have a feeling for emotional situations they need to be intentional and think through what they are seeing/hearing, if preoccupied they easily miss those details. However, that can be true of extroverted NT's as well, it's just less likely that an extrovert doesn't take the time to divert attention to a social situation, in otherwords, they are less likely to be caught on their heels by a social situation. Some other personality categories don't have that tendency at all, irrelevant of weather the person is introvertedly or extrovertedly expressed. As another example INTX are generally fairly decent public speakers, despite their introversion, where as ISXJ are generally terrible public speakers, not because of their introversion, but because they don't really have a tight grasp on the science of language, so their lack of confidence with saying what they mean to be saying the way they want to say it, further feeds into their nervousness of being infront of a crowd. NT will tend to blot out social cues and just focus on the task at hand, which is clearly and accurately presenting the speech, nearly making it an entirely separate thing where they barely have to be aware there is a crowd at all, where as the SJ will innately cue into the crowd to the point where they have barely any brain power left to focus on remembering the words or speaking with the bravado they need.
panda wrote:False statement. They can be great managers or teachers.
Yup, they make great managers and teachers, but that's because they have an amazing strength in focusing on results and disseminating information. Whenever possible INTJ managers and teachers will push the mood of the workplace/studyplace to that of a clear and uncomplicated place of business, where employees/students know exactly what it expected of them and exactly where they stand within the workings of the business. They are also not very likely to be the manager/teacher that heads for a round of beers with the guys after a hard days work. They tend to be extremely talented at establishing strong businesses, but they are a major contributor to why so many businesses and schools also have to hire counselors... because while the boss is VERY good at focusing on the results and the work flow, they don't have a talent for keeping moral up or social environments healthy.
panda wrote:False stereotype. Some introverts are charismatic and do not appear to be confrontational and aggressive.
Like I say, I was referring to NT personality types, not introverts.
panda wrote:False stereotype of introverts and maybe INTJ's. They can still be very good and patient listeners (such as in a manager who speaks up for his or her workers). It's not necessarily that they miss the social cues (even though everyone does at times), they just don't tend to respond to them the way a lot of extroverts would like for them to. For example, an introvert usually would not like to be known as someone who is the "life of a party".
Yes, INTX can definitely be good an patient listeners... and fundamentally, they understand things. They aren't likely to overlook an overwhelming atmosphere of dissatisfaction in the workplace, and they are absolutely likely to be the one who attempts to put that feeling into words and let the higher up's know, in perfectly clear, respectful, and convincing language, exactly what the situation on the floor is, and why. They might not however, notice that a specific employee is annoyed with them for some reason... or if someone is being dishonest with them... or an employee flirting with them. INTX tend to hear people, and they are very good at figuring out exactly what words mean. Specifically, non verbal cues tend to confound them, and they have an incredibly hard time dealing with dishonesty from people they trust, or honesty from people they don't trust.
panda wrote:This sounds more like your describing someone who is emotionally immature as oppossed to introverted and an INTJ.
I have to agree with you there... but statistically speaking, NT personalities are far more likely to be emotionally immature. They don't tend to feel as hard as other people, and whenever possible they try to think through issues rather than feel them through. Few things are more uncomfortable to an NT personality than someone who's emotional state is causing them to be illogical. This can be something as simple as hiding in your room while your mom has a fight with dad, because you know that if you talk to one of them now they're going to snap at you over something unrelated.
