an idea : lobby integrated news database

[KaiserJ]

heh... nice.

i defenitely don't mind turning this over to people who can code the RSS interpretation using lobby code... as i said, i can see it's a better option, i just dont have a clue how to do it.

(plus, it means i dont have to do anything! im a fan of being lazy)

AF: not sure how an html based page would cause inconsistencies between the lobbies or favour one lobby or the other; as long as the page was implemented, it would display the same news, no?

and again... taking the RSS feed directly will make it load a fair bit faster, but don't forget including things like logos and images take bandwidth as well, so maybe the bandwidth and loadtime difference will not be as large between the two solutions...

meh... its a good idea, im glad you guys are jumping on it, im just kinda sad that i'm not able to help.

edit: AF mentioned anonymous submission... not sure i agree, especially when the articles will appear within the lobbies... don't want to end up like the shoutbox on jobjol hehe

[imbaczek]

kaiserj: read up on xslt, maybe you can help but don't know it yet ;p

[AF]

Somehow my suggestion for anonymoust submission got ripped up and mangled and spat out as anonymous publishing. Submission != publish. Please read before you think, and think before you post.

Foreboding, there is no clear way to submit news to your site. Yes you have a submission forum but it is pointless because its hidden away, therefore it does not exist in the eyes of the user and is wasted.

Theres no reason to need a forum for it either.

As for html and not seeing why it would matter, I have a lobby and I actually care about consistency, so seeing something that's been tweaked to tasclient in my client or spring lobby would be terrible. That and this could easily end up in other tools.

So go on and use html ( in tasclient), but don't use it to build a generic platform. Provide an RSS feed, simple as. Let the client itnerpret it how it wishes wether that be a html pane in tasclient, a div container in google reader, or buttons and UI controls in xyz

[KaiserJ]

AF:

yes, i misread your post... you understand what i meant, and you already understand in what way i misread your post. no need to bust my balls about it. to me, having news submitted anonymously will just encourage trolling and an absence of quality... even if the article looks okay, does it contain the truth, is it unbiased, etc etc... having registered news posters will force accountability onto the submissions, and people will take more pride in what they write to submit... unless you like the idea of forboding having to spend time fact and spell checking an endless stream of poorly created news articles.

i'm a relative newcomer to spring, i've used primarily TASclient b/c it's the default but i've played around with springlobby too. the only reason i suggested integrated news in the first place was because i found its absence to stick out like a sore thumb and felt it could be used to strengthen the community and get more recognition to people working hard for spring (such as yourself.).

i did NOT come up with the idea to make TASclient have some sort of advantage over other lobbies (although yes, i did mention it in my examples of what i'd like to do, purely because im most familiar with it)

"i have a lobby and i actually care about consistency" what are you trying to insinuate here? honestly... if i'm willing to try and create a layout that will work with TASclient, why do you think i'd just ignore any of the other lobbies or make something on purpose that wouldn't work for them... i'd be perfectly fine with working on a layout to fit with ANY lobby, and if i gave any indication that this wasn't the case, i apologize for my lack of clarity.

if i could write something to interpret the RSS feed for TASclient, or your lobby as an integrated feature, or anything else, i would jump at the chance... which is why i made this thread in the first place, i wanted to contribute, not to be belittled... if you don't like what i say, just respond in kind; there's no need for attitude like that, espeically when i'm just trying to help.

imbaczek : noted... gonna research.

[AF]

But you dont have to interpret the rss feed, there are libraries to do that for you!

If you want us to load a html page instead of the direct rss feed then thats bad because 1 style wont fit all programs. It also prevents me sticking that rss feed on my site footer or in a wiki page even.

My point is html should be an implementation detail for the program, and should be discussed in an individual thread and not referred to as the system for the whole, just as you wouldnt discuss tasclients python APIs here.

I also have a lot of experience with wordpress which si what foreboding is using. Currently the arguements all fall apart once you realize that you can replace the submission page with the back end write post page. Both would generate submissions, pending posts, but they would not reach the live site unless approved and published by someone such as foreboding. It would be easier to implement if it required registration also.

The problem is registration to the site and logging in and out and making it much easier. This can be done via wordpress theme updates and plugins. Making the default new user role able to write posts but unable to approve or publish them would fill this role, as well as providing them with a submit news link that lead directly to the write post page in the main site when logged in.

A registration + login link in the site and in every comments form would also help.

[Forboding Angel]

I'm not enabling anon submissions AF, for all the reasons that Kaiser pointed out. Look, user signups take all of 2 minutes of your time. And signed up users CAN submit posts for review, don't tell me that this is too much to ask.

Speaking of kaiser, thank you for your post, you pretty much put everything I wanted to say in a much nicer package. AF's original post irritated me quite a bit because he's making a mountain out of a molehill. As such I didn't really wanna make a pissed off post.

AF I really dunno how familiar you are with WP and tbh I don't really care, but how can you say you are really familiar with it and in the same sentence go of an a parade talking about rss -> html. Look dude, every cat has it's own feed and a feed that combines them all in particular, this one http://www.springinfo.info/?feed=rss2. You can do whatever you want with the feeds, they are there in their raw forms to be manipulated.

That said, the html page for tasclient could easily be given a different name, a different style, and used for springlobby, so why couldn't we do the same thing for battlehub. I dunno why you are getting the impression that you are being left out in the cold. For one, you should know better than that, considering I have cheered on battlehub for quite some time now, I jsut don't see how you would get that impression.

Libraries to interpret the feed? You mean like feedburner or something similar? I'm perfectly fine with that. TBh I wish it was just as simple as doing a php include but it isn't so I'm having to learn how to do it.

AF the base feed address is always the same, you can take that feed and put it anywhere you want. Just having a few html frontends wouldn't distrupt that, cause where do you think those frontends are getting their information from?

There is a login link on every. single. page...

Edit: Great you edited your first post, so now me and kaiser's responses don't make as much sense. Wonderful.

Edit2: Cacheing was set up as soon as I read your original post on it, so please, let it go.

[AF]

I have not edited any posts in the last few days, only blogposts, I will look back as it must have been a moderator.

AF the base feed address is always the same, you can take that feed and put it anywhere you want. Just having a few html frontends wouldn't distrupt that, cause where do you think those frontends are getting their information from?

If you had said this, a definitive non ambiguous statement in the beginning, then I would not have needed to say half of what I said, which was basically me being unsure on what you meant whether you meant this or whether this whole system was moving towards html. I stressed the point that it should be a mere implementation detail on the client end not a part of the system and nobody disputed that until this statement, wasting masses of time.

Also note that my site is indeed wordpress, and I have been working on it for a very long time, aswell as many side projects using it, and have a lot of blogs on wordpress I read and regularly help out friends with it. So I speak from experience. wp_supercache is a popular wordpress plugin that can dramatically improve page loading times.

Foreboding, I don't know whats up with you but why are you reading everything in the worst possible light you can imagine, and taking everything so personally? Relax!!!! Don't see things so intimidating and dont intimidate back. You used to be so much mellower (and thus mroe productive/respectable) and now your arguing all the time, what happened?

[AF]

As for registration, that can be sped up too with plugins and theme changes and made much easier. I do not see where I said users would be able to do submission without registering. Just that it should be a part of the site and not hidden on a forum.

[Satirik]

ok the scrolling news and news browser are ready

to show the news i'd just need two pages:

• 27pixels height scrolling news just showing the latest news titles
• the special news page for lobbies showing a maximum of information

im just wondering about something, for now when you start the lobby it shows the news page and there is a button to hide it, should it be automatically hidden when logged in ?

[lurker]

Is it just a normal tab? It's probably nicer to sit on that than be on whatever is the last channel added to the join list. Actually, if it didn't change tabs at all during login that would be a nice speed boost when you have several channels.

[Satirik]

Is it just a normal tab? It's probably nicer to sit on that than be on whatever is the last channel added to the join list. Actually, if it didn't change tabs at all during login that would be a nice speed boost when you have several channels.

nope it's not a tab it takes the whole space under the menu

[Masure]

Screenshoot plz

[Satirik]

here it is

[Forboding Angel]

QUick update, I'm working on the TASClient setup. I'm hoping it should be ready by tomorrow. Sorry satirik, I know I said today, but I jsut didn't have time to get it all sorted. Sorry. :-/

[aegis]

if we have an rss feed and html template, I can fix the news python script to properly parse rss and generate tasclient html/css for it

[Satirik]

if we have an rss feed and html template, I can fix the news python script to properly parse rss and generate tasclient html/css for it

the news will be integrated by default no script needed

[KaiserJ]

i sense an epic victory.

[Satirik]

i sense an epic victory.

for now it's epic fail ! i think im going to disable it and release a new tasclient version because im still waiting for forb's part ... etc

[KaiserJ]

the gears are turning :)

just to make sure im not confused...

the news panel...
- is a html content pane
- is attatched to the client, integrated below the "host" etc buttons
- by default displays as a bar that is 27 px high, but can be expanded to fill the entire client window below the control buttons

[aegis]

if we have an rss feed and html template, I can fix the news python script to properly parse rss and generate tasclient html/css for it

the news will be integrated by default no script needed

eh, I'm not going to use tasclient if it becomes a web browser.