Balanced Annihilation V6.6

[vampi2]

It's Very Hard queen fault (when she don't is stuck, that's it).

Someone said :

and the Janus (juno ?) is much better than the leveler.

I'm not an ARM player.
I don't like the "we are the Am... Good side and then we Win the Galactic War even if the campaing say it's the player to decide".
I don't like the cold blue color in the icons.
I don't like the "speed" against "strengh" (i want big tanks).

I play mostly Core. Even in NOTA.

But i don't think the Janus is better than the leveler.
In NOTA, the leveler is an autocanon with a lot of punch.
In BA, it's an anti-swarm unit. Little punch but aera of effect.
Janus is more a little banisher. Long recharge time and big punch.

Of course, against tanks, or against the long range of a Janus, a leveler is in difficulty. But :
Against a kbot squad, i take some levelers thank you, because each leveler shop hit a lot of kbot. You can quickly exterminate an entire kbot army, even level 2, in a few time (snipers or arty are really easy prey for a level 1 leveler).

[Gota]

So you had your crack at an annihilation based mod (SA), advertised it more fiercely than any other team and even tried to pass it off as a new BA version and it's still never played - now you think if you direct all your energy at BA then NOIZE will do it your way. He wont. You're just filling the thread with static and trolling.

Your changes are misguided, impulsive and shortsighted and you fill all your reasoning and arguments with fallacies and bullshit, gtfo and get banned.

You cant give any arguments to counter my reasoning.
All you can do is basically say "your wrong".
Maybe you should stick to Making LUA for chickens and balance the chickens mod.

How what i said was short sighted or misguided?
Tell me.
Explain it logically not just attack me personally or say "your wrong".
SA has nothing to do with it.
I advertised it and it got played but it was me who was never happy with it and if a few pips come through i will release another SA.
Topic is BA and those comparisons are not misguided nor shortsighted.
If you can logically explain why you think so and not attack me personally than It will be obvious you care about BA's balance,so far you only showed you care about your ego.

[smoth]

yan, I don't like you but please understand, I am saying this out of pity. Please, just let it go. If you have your own perspective on balance either do that in your own project or make a BA mutator. Just let it go for god's sake, you are not making any friends and people are tired of arguing with you. You want to know why they do not give you a good explanation, it is because they have long since tired of arguing. Just move on please.

[Gota]

If that is the case than "these" people are hopeless.
This is not some extremely complicated system it can be reason through and logicly constructed.
Why make this into some kind of transcendental thing that is beyond the reach of logical thinking...

Playing a few games on DSD and than make conclusions is the stupid thing to do...
You can work on intuition but you cant completely ignore the numbers..

I'm so persistent,smoth, because i keep playing BA and I keep seeing complete ridicules balancing of several unit and structures which bugs me all the time..
I want to play with them but I know I can't cause ill lose..
This sucks.
It doesn't bother newbies,obviously,but i don't understand how these things don't bother people who have been playing BA for ages..

ATM its just noize coming fixing some technical stuff and making random balance changes..

[smoth]

That is ba THE MOST you can do is ask the mod maker maybe a couple of times and say look I think it is imbalanced here. If they change it good, if not learn to work with it. There is a chance you are using the unit wrong or are missing some of it's abilities. Which comes down to ignorance of the mod. Not to say one way or another but perhaps you misunderstand the role of that unit.

Right now you are saying you cannot win, that is meta game discussion and rubbish. Other people win, just because you cannot win with XZY doesn't make something imbalanced. As with all games you have to be able to win with the rules and parameters setup there-in. Those rules of gameplay include unit stats. If one faction never won over another that would be one thing but it simply isn't the case. people win games all the time

[Gota]

That is ba THE MOST you can do is ask the mod maker maybe a couple of times and say look I think it is imbalanced here. If they change it good, if not learn to work with it. There is a chance you are using the unit wrong or are missing some of it's abilities. Which comes down to ignorance of the mod. Not to say one way or another but perhaps you misunderstand the role of that unit.

Right now you are saying you cannot win, that is meta game discussion and rubbish. Other people win, just because you cannot win with XZY doesn't make something imbalanced. As with all games you have to be able to win with the rules and parameters setup there-in. Those rules of gameplay include unit stats. If one faction never won over another that would be one thing but it simply isn't the case. people win games all the time

I wasnt saying "im trying to play with it and it doesnt work...
im saying i look at the numbers and know it is weaker thus i don't play with it.
best example is stumpy vs raider.
Stumpy is clearly better.
It is faster more maneuverable costs less and takes much less time to build.
except that raider and stumpy are the same and the raider only has 1 advatage,95 more hp.

So the stumpy is clearly superior but you wont notice it on the battlefield since it is extremly hard to judge how good each player actually plays in a certain game.
You can only see it clearly once the differance is gigantic.
Infortunatly we dont have stats on unit usages..But i have a very storng feeling we would see stumpy is used much more than the raider.

[pintle]

I object to Fatcontroller's attack on Yan a la SA. Imo, as a relatively objective player (Ima be an XTA fanboi no matter what) SA is VASTLY more intuitive. It doesn't get much play because all the newbies/floating players flock to BA, not because BA is inherently superior.

I don't condone his tone, or his hijack attemps, but i do completely agree that Anni is very UP and I see no justification for it being so.


Ok so you may not like the guy on a personal level, but at least approach his statements (which are made rationally and based on actual quantifiable data) with some semblance of rationality yourself, no need to flame him just because you know you will get away with it.

[smoth]

I read your post earlier but as per prior arguments about unit cost, dps, hp, speed etc mean fuck all. There are other things that do not show up in those kinds of equations, like how that unit plays out with the other units, fire arcs, ability to handle terrain, dominate terrain type for that game, height differences across the map, damage radius on impact, the edge effectiveness of said radius explosion.

so on and if you say one building is not effected by others, chain explosions, support buildings all of those can add or subtract from a unit's value. How much is the ability to travel faster on water? that cannot really be quantified, it is just assigned an arbitrary value.

so like I said, I would put together a list and politely ask for the mod developer to consider said changes, if he does, say nothing and be gracious. If you are good enough at that people would see you as a good person to get feedback from. As of right now you come off as pushy and condescending that doesn't help you get your request completed. Hell make a mutator offering all of the fixes you suggest and ask the creator of the mod to consider it. All are better ways than what you are doing now.

and yeah fatcontroller should not have brought up yan's other douche bagery as this is the BA thread and not the YAN is a douche thread.

[Gota]

I did just that.
I have uploaded VBA,very balanced annihilation.
Noize can consider it but noize hardly plays...
unless he is smurfing all day long..How can a person who doesn't regularly play judge balance changes..
still,i released it and uploaded it and am hosting it..

[smoth]

Odds are noize smurfs so he isn't bothered by whining players. Several moders do that. Me, I am unknown, I can hop into a gundam game most of the time and just pop off "I made this" and people forgot who I was so all of a sudden tons of questions.

so odds are he hides but I have seen noize playing tons of games in the past. People used to ask if caydr played aa because they never saw him but swore by his balance changes because he took them in from the community. Noize might be doing that as well or he may feel the balance that was achieved after years of suggestions is fine. I don't agree with the way it is setup but most of the community is very happy with BA.

Your BA is up, and if it works out I am sure he will take in some of the feedback, he is a nice guy and all. Just try and be more diplomatic to him, talking about how he never/rarely plays and things of that nature are just conjecture and really rude. Again, if you want respect around here you are going to have to give it to get it.

[Gota]

Oh i had long discussions with noize and addressed him many times.

And i dont need respect i jsut want the game iv been playing on and of for a few years to be as good as it can be.

[smoth]

you need respect if you want to be heard otherwise you get ignored. Also you method of talking to noize, was it the same way you talked to fang? If so you may have already burned all bridges with noize.

[Gota]

How did i talk to fang?
I just told him what is bad about his mod and what he needs to fix to make it good.
If he had done that people would have been playing his mod just like they were before he made the bad changes.
I told him the truth cause i wanted to see his mod played.
This is not the place to discuss this though.
I only offered noize to make small corrections in the balance cause i could actually talk to him in real time via the lobby.

[smoth]

pretty much that last post is why no one is taking your "advice"

[Pressure Line]

How did i talk to fang?
I just told him what is bad about his mod and what he needs to fix to make it good.
If he had done that people would have been playing his mod just like they were before he made the bad changes.

FAIL. you dont TELL people what is wrong with the balance of their mod. its purely SUBJECTIVE, there is no *best* way to balance.

like i said in that other thread; learn how to present your ideas coherently, if you cant be bothered presenting them properly why should I (or anyone) be bothered considering them?

Also, learn how to present your ideas without insulting the person you are talking to at the start of every paragraph.

[smoth]

ok yan let me put it in a way that you will understand

We are telling you what is BAD about you that you need to fix to make you GOOD.



I am going to quit trying to help Yan now. Good luck, kiddo, I tried to help you.

[Pressure Line]

ok yan let me put it in a way that you will understand

We are telling you what is BAD about you that you need to fix to make you GOOD.



I am going to quit trying to help Yan now. Good luck, kiddo, I tried to help you.

o_O did you think my post was from him? im confused.

[smoth]

No, I am tired of trying. I feel like yan ignores my posts and then tries to act like he listened while carrying on with the same bad behavior. I really do not like him but thought, maybe no one has been patient enough for him. However, now I feel vindicated and that my hatred is not unjustified.

[Pressure Line]

No, I am tired of trying. I feel like yan ignores my posts and then tries to act like he listened while carrying on with the same bad behavior.

He does that to everyone. (unless they are kissing his ass)

However, now I feel vindicated and that my hatred is not unjustified.

^__^

[smoth]

Well personally he has yet to be rude or directly annoying to me. I do however hate what he does to other modders and how he will bad mouth a project if said project does not listen to him. I do not believe Yan is truely stupid and I have seen him carry on for days harassing people pretending to be ignorant with the follow up being lol I trolled you.

I figured maybe I was being a dick and no one gave the guy a real chance. I genuinely tried here but now see that I am acting just fine and have no reason to feel guilty.