Lesner Vs Couture predictions

[Dragon45]

can we please actually talk about the damn fight and not rehash the same argument AGAIN but MMA and regular martial arts and whatever shit falls in between and whatever


SO BACK TO RANDY VS COUTURE

smoth, panda, please GTFO of this thread


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i still want to see couture vs fedor... couture would get shredded, but i think it would be an amazing fight... if nothing else, to see how couture tries to tame the unholy beast that fedor is

[SwiftSpear]

MMA stands for "Mixed martial arts". UFC is the biggest MMA organization to date, so many people see them as synonomus, but it's really sort of like calling basketball "NBA". UFC has evolved significant over time, in the first events there were really very few, and very simple rules, but it has since adapted a significant set of rules to keep fighters as safe as possible during matches.

The format of MMA matches is as such, there are 3 five minute rounds, and during those rounds fighters may fight in what ever method they see fit within the confines of the octagon (a large 8 sided cage). The action is closely refereed, but will not generally be stopped unless a fighter commits a foul (grabbing the cage, punching to the back of the head, groin shots, gouging, small joint manipulation, and other assorted things). The one exception, is that for the sake of entertainment, if a fight has gone into a stale mate situation, where both fighters aren't really able to improve their position at all, the ref may stand the fight back up, or seperate the fighters. Fighters win by knocking their opponent out, forcing their opponent to submit (surrender), or by putting their opponent in a situation where they are taking too much damage ("they can't intelligently defend themself"), which will cause the referee to stop the fight. In the case of sever cut or injury the fight may also be stopped and the healthy fighter will be declared winner (assuming the injury was not caused by foul). If the 3 rounds run to completion, the fight will go to decision at which point the performance of the fighters will be evaluated, and the fighter that was more dominant and scored more effective moves will be declared the winner based on the scoring of 3 judges.

There are tonnes of different fighters from tonnes of different martial arts backgrounds. Some fighters rely on punching and kicking, others take opponents to the ground and submit them. And others have other less expected variations. The range of possible tactics makes the sport increadibly dynamic. How do you predict who wins when an excellent striker comes into a fight with an excellent wrestler?

It's certainly not for everyone, but there's alot of content there for a real fan to absorb and analyze. It makes the sport a lot of fun to watch and participate in... albeit a bit dangerous.

[SwiftSpear]

I think Couture is a dangerous fighter for Fedor. He's an opponent that poses many serious threats. Fedor is a monster striker, and a monster BJJ, but Couture has neutralized both before, in both Silvia and Gonzaga. Neither are quite the monster Fedor is, but it is a style that Couture has shown he can definitely compete against.

I wonder if Fedor is able to fight smart enough beat the master tactician. He has so much natural raw talent he hasn't really had to fight incredibly smart before. There's enough footage on Fedor that I think Randy can definitely develop a solid game plan against him.

Fedor vs Brock on the other hand would be a slaughter. Brock was ideally set up to Neutralize Randy's natural talents, but Fedor doesn't have the soft hands and sluggish submissions Randy does.

[smoth]

I think I'll stay right here dragon. So swift it is a sort "no holds bar" with some rules and as long as you are within the rules it is allowed?

[BigSteve]

I think randy poses about as much threat to fedor as brock does at this point, you cant really say Fedor has any similarities to Tim or gonzaga, his striking is completley different to both those guys, especially Tim, Fedor throws Big fast, heavy looping punches from hips and weird angles, tim and gonzaga are more tradtional hands up boxing style.
Same for the ground game, Fedors a sambo champ, sambo being wrestling/judo with a bunch of nasty submissions thrown in, probably the most complete grappling art Imo, proved by the fact BJJ masters like Noguiera never even came close to subbing Fedor, combine that with the best ground and pound ever, and you could mold Tim and Gonzaga into one and youd still not have what fedor has.

I also forgot to mention his uncanny ability to stay completely calm, the guys unshakable, even when randleman suplexed him right on his head he just rolled away and kimura'd him 20 seconds later, Gonzaga has NO heart, as soon as the tide swings even remotley in his opponents favour he folds, as seen in his fight with randy and werdum, and Tim aint much better!

Also fedor ALWAYS comes out with masterful game plans, just check his fights with nogueira and prime cro cop, he comes out and beats guys at their own game throwing them completley off tilt.

Pretty much every point you made I disagree with swift LOL no offence :)

In a couple of years Brock could pose a threat, but he'll walk right into one of the slickest armbars youve ever seen and it'll all be over :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtFvR7QRmow

I mean come on... Randy's got no chance! hes beaten in every facet of the game when it comes to Fedor, he natches up terribly to the guy!

[SwiftSpear]

I think I'll stay right here dragon. So swift it is a sort "no holds bar" with some rules and as long as you are within the rules it is allowed?

It's not "no holds barred" It's just not boxing, or kickboxing, or wrestling, or any purist sport. It's a combat sport that forces competitors to be ready for every attack and every defense. Realistically, it does have it's roots in street fighting, though it's chained back so that it's safer and more professional.

MMA for the most part is intensely tactical. The guys at the top are extremely versatile in many environments, and the guys who just go out there swinging wildly don't rank very well, even if they are strong, and even if they can hit. The sport is classified into weight classes like wrestling and boxing, although occasionally they have mixed weight fights for exhibition. It's very rare in UFC though. It's not a wild chaotic environment, it's incredibly scientific and well developed.

The draw is the abstractness and the dynamics of it. If a fighter is going to be successful he can't just master one powerful strategy and bank on that indefinitely... well, that has worked for some guys for a limited amount of time, but eventually someone figures out the trick to toppling the push and makes him pay. A great fighter might beat a world renowned kick boxer one day, but his next fight will be with a master submissions expert, fighters are constantly working and reworking their game to adapt to the abilities of their opponents and do what works to make their way to the top. It's a great sport. One match you might be watching two of the best kickboxers in the world the next match will be an above olympic level wrestling match, and the match right after that will be a wrestler vs a kickboxer.

[Crayfish]

It's a combat sport, but has less restrictions than any other and thus is arguably the closest legal activity to real fighting.

It is also the fastest growing combat sport and is now bigger than boxing. I know a lot of people who are into it in the UK (in social circles, not just my MMA class).

There are a lot of good fights and highlights available on youtube. Here are a couple.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VWIZ01K3tGU

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oUfvymGEM7c

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=PAQsOXtUEIc

Unfortunately the copyright wars have started and there are far less fight videos than there used to be, so it's mostly highlights left. You can see what it's about though.

[smoth]

that really sounds interesting, I am glad it isn't a real version of wrestlin' cage matches... A lot of those nasty fuckers had me thinking of if that way. I guess if I was all about challenging myself with competitive fighting I would be into it. Makes me think of kenichi, well that was an interesting conversation thanks for the info guys, I'll check one out if I get the chance.

[SwiftSpear]

http://mma-core.com/videos/Videos.aspx?tid=0

Like most things in the copyright wars, the internet still has it, you just have to google a bit.

[Dragon45]

think you could help me find the vid of rashad evanns knockign out chuck lidel?

[Dragon45]

nm foudn it