Possible new map in the works ...

[Kixxe]

NEW RULE: (II)PUSU- Put Up -or- Shut Up
Self explainatory. Don't open your mouth to diss someones work unless you have actually done better yourself.

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That's stupid.

Okay, i can't say something like ''OMFG YOU SUXXOR ON MAIKNG MAP*S LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL'' but to not be able to critizise unless you done it your self is just stupid.

If you don't want anyone ''not whorty'' to say something about your map, just write ''Oh, and i only want hear BAD critsim from pepole who aculy done a map. Lazy jerkoffs'' or something.

I hate it when i say something like ''Hey, it's a pretty good map, but it lacks blablalblalbalbl'' And they answear with, '' Screw you! You haven't done anything! I don't se any maps made bye kixxe! You don't know how is! YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHIGN! MOHAHAHAHAH I PWND YOU!''.

So no, unless your a bastard that can't stop using LOL, or you can't say ANYTHING good about a normal map, you should critisie a map however the FUCK you want!

(oh, and if im just taking it wrong, just edit the post to invole really stupid critsim, and not just ''dissing'' -.-)



Now, about the map!

I like it. My eye's don't burn like in the redhaven map, and i see everything is where it suposed to be.

I would want the hills a litthe higer, and maybe less grass and trees on the hill. (if the hills get higer that is-.-*)

Oh, and the last screenshot of the commander standing in the sun is cool. Should be a poster that says: ''Do YOU got what it takes? Join ARM forces today!.

If I compare those screenshots with a greenhaven screenshot taken under the 3D demo replayer, the hills in siamese cat map aren't that much too short. I think that if you keep the same level of grey as in the TA maps, then a -n 256 -x 511 parameters for mapconv should be the closest to the original you can get.

Cool! that's how orginole greenhaven looked like? Looks mighty fine, and the ''hill'' in the backround acully looks like a small mouatin!

[mother]

That's stupid.

Okay, i can't say something like ''OMFG YOU SUXXOR ON MAIKNG MAP*S LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL'' but to not be able to critizise unless you done it your self is just stupid.
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I hate it when i say something like ''Hey, it's a pretty good map, but it lacks blablalblalbalbl'' And they answear with, '' Screw you! You haven't done anything! I don't se any maps made bye kixxe! You don't know how is! YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHIGN! MOHAHAHAHAH I PWND YOU!''.

So no, unless your a bastard that can't stop using LOL, or you can't say ANYTHING good about a normal map, you should critisie a map however the FUCK you want!

This all leads me to answer a question you posed once...

14 here... only 2 more years and i can get job! (yay)

Yea. this will be fun. Well see if the pepole are the age they act like

In this case, yes. Your response is symptomatic of [the severe disadvantage of] how young you are. Not only haven't your emotions fully developed yet but you just don't have enough experience to see what the 'real world' is like. That type of behavior is not acceptable, and there is a big difference between 'can' 'may' and 'should.'

BTW The fact that you've never made a map is a very valid defense in this type of situation. If you were a map maker you would understand why

[Torrasque]

On this, I argree with kixxie, I'm not sure to have fully understand, but I dont like this statement :

NEW RULE: (II)PUSU- Put Up -or- Shut Up
Self explainatory. Don't open your mouth to diss someones work unless you have actually done better yourself.

So don't say a game is bad unless your a gamemaker, don't say you don't like a music because your not musician, don't critic XTA balance unless you have made a balance mod? etc...

[Min3mat]

i think players are the best pppl to comment on gameplay, especially ones who have been playing for a long time (eg. kixxe) many extremely pretty maps have gameplay issues (the best exception being kingofthehill...someone remake it please!) and most maps good for gameplay aren't quite as pretty as they could be...(IMO)
basically i'm agreeing with Torrasque, a map-maker who plans to make more than 1 map (if he's just making a map he wants or w/ever) should listen to the community and release new vsns of the map! obviously listening DOESN'T always mean acting, eg. a noob says that your map should have +100 m/mex but if they are being reasonable and have laid out a good proposal PLEASE try your best to humour it!

[mother]

Funny how you both quoted that bit out of context :)

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There is a chasm between constructive criticism/feedback and dissing/complaining. One (may or may not Wink) be welcome, the other isn't.

And TBH:

• Walking into ID HQ and announcing to Carmack that he cannot program for shit (regardless if you've never written any code yourself)

• Walking up to Pavarotti and telling him his voice sucks

• Saying OMG XTA SUXORS CUZ <some false statement followed by a request for something not possible>

Would all be impolitic.

Are you all complete asshats in real life? Do you really behave like this in meat-space? hehe

Seriously. Dissing is not good behavior- and its especially bad behavior when you don't have a leg to stand on. We're not talking about valid feedback or constructive criticism here, please please please explain how dissing is good valid behavior.

[mother]

i think players are the best pppl to comment on gameplay, especially ones who have been playing for a long time (eg. kixxe) many extremely pretty maps have gameplay issues (the best exception being kingofthehill...someone remake it please!) and most maps good for gameplay aren't quite as pretty as they could be...(IMO)
basically i'm agreeing with Torrasque, a map-maker who plans to make more than 1 map (if he's just making a map he wants or w/ever) should listen to the community and release new vsns of the map! obviously listening DOESN'T always mean acting, eg. a noob says that your map should have +100 m/mex but if they are being reasonable and have laid out a good proposal PLEASE try your best to humour it!

God damn people, don't forget to read the original post or anything

Min- none of what you said has anything to do with Kixxe/Torr's 'points.' You are not talking about 'dissing.' You might be talking about the 'or may not be welcome' part- but thats just a nod to human nature

[Min3mat]

its the voice of the people! listen to it! this is a semi-democracy right? if 10,000 people say 0MFG UR I\/I@P 5UKZ0R5 U N33D T0 H@V3 L355 I\/I3T@L 0I\I 1T!!!111!!!! then lower the metal on it...people are people and people will be people, being impolite is impolite but having a bad map is bad

[mother]

its the voice of the people! listen to it! this is a semi-democracy right? if 10,000 people say 0MFG UR I\/I@P 5UKZ0R5 U N33D T0 H@V3 L355 I\/I3T@L 0I\I 1T!!!111!!!! then lower the metal on it...people are people and people will be people, being impolite is impolite but having a bad map is bad

Sometimes 'the people' should grow up and shut their mouths :)

Seriously.

This has NOTHING to do with gameplay suggestions.

And BTW no! If you think a map is 'bad' and the creator doesn't change it for you- make your own map.

You did not PAY anything for this.
You are not HARMED IN ANY WAY by having an additional choice which you don't care for.
You are in no way prevented from making a similar map the way YOU want it.

The whole point is that nobody owes you anything and nobody harmed you by not doing what you wanted for free.

So to wrap it up:

• -being impolite is bad

• -having a bad map doesnt harm anyone

• -the arguements presented (now by the three of you!?) are demonstrations of social immaturity *and* ignorance of the fact that you're arguing about something different from what you think you are(have I mentioned that you're not talking about dissing?).

[mother]

Ack enough ok.

Enough hijakking.

I'll just go off and stop contributing.
I can't stand the thought of working on something for people like the above. I encourage all others to do likewise.

Maybe after they are forced to actually do some work to enjoy the game they will grow a tad.

[Min3mat]

making suggestions is bad? sorry then. if noone suggests anything we will have a better game? being impolite is bad i agree but so is making a open source game having people make maps and completely ignore the public! ppl who make maps don't seem to mind! ppl make map requests and they get answered! how many maps have you made mother? i admit i haven't done anything for this game so instead i attempt to help people improve it by making suggestions...

[Kixxe]

In this case, yes. Your response is symptomatic of [the severe disadvantage of] how young you are. Not only haven't your emotions fully developed yet but you just don't have enough experience to see what the 'real world' is like. That type of behavior is not acceptable, and there is a big difference between 'can' 'may' and 'should.'

Breking down the fancy word's, You bacsily said that i had a ''disadvantage of how young you are'' and that my emotions ''arent fully developed yet'' and that i ''don't have enough eperience'' to se what the real world is?

Excuse me, but WTF? So becuase im 14, im not the age and haven't got the exprience to.... what? ''To see what the real world is''?
WTF is that suposed to mean and WTF has it to do with how i can't state what i think without aculy being a part/making it?

Funny how you both quoted that bit out of context :)

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Quote:
There is a chasm between constructive criticism/feedback and dissing/complaining. One (may or may not Wink) be welcome, the other isn't.


And TBH:

Walking into ID HQ and announcing to Carmack that he cannot program for shit (regardless if you've never written any code yourself)

Walking up to Pavarotti and telling him his voice sucks

Saying OMG XTA SUXORS CUZ <some false statement followed by a request for something not possible>



Would all be impolitic.

Are you all complete asshats in real life? Do you really behave like this in meat-space? hehe

Seriously. Dissing is not good behavior- and its especially bad behavior when you don't have a leg to stand on. We're not talking about valid feedback or constructive criticism here, please please please explain how dissing is good valid behavior.

Im sorry i quoted out of context.

But!

(oh, and if im just taking it wrong, just edit the post to invole really stupid critsim, and not just ''dissing'' -.-)

I don't think i fully understand ''dissing''. If im correct, dissing is just another word for not liking something. Therefore, i thougt you meant that everyone who hasen't made a map those not really has the right to say anything about so STFU... But i can see now the case is not.

I apolegise.

The whole point is that nobody owes you anything and nobody harmed you by not doing what you wanted for free.

Yes, but im still able to say if i don't like it.
If i draw like a 2 year old and post in an art forum, they have ther right to say i suck even if they don't draw ANYTHING themselfs.

''Maybe after they are forced to actually do some work to enjoy the game they will grow a tad.

''Sometimes 'the people' should grow up and shut their mouths :) ''

''-the arguements presented (now by the three of you!?) are demonstrations of social immaturity *and* ignorance of the fact that you're arguing about something different from what you think you are(have I mentioned that you're not talking about dissing?).''

''In this case, yes. Your response is symptomatic of [the severe disadvantage of] how young you are. Not only haven't your emotions fully developed yet but you just don't have enough experience to see what the 'real world' is like. That type of behavior is not acceptable, and there is a big difference between 'can' 'may' and 'should.' ''

So to wrap it up:

-being impolite is bad

-having a bad map doesnt harm anyone

Being impolite is bad?

Could you plese stop calling everybody immature then?

Having a bad map is just as bad as having a bad ''insert stuff created bye fans'' and will be treted as such. If it's a blank, purple map with a metal map that gives epilesice attacks and with gameplay that makes you wanna play ''holligans'' (worst game EVER), it will proably removed.

But yes, im coming offtopic, your right, Bad maps aren't bad and pepole should't be flamed unless they spam with sucky maps that noone plays.

Sorry about not talking about immature critsims, but i felt compeld to write something about it since i hate pepole who think that just becuase they have done something that they are the only that can say BAD critism
about it.

Ack enough ok.

Enough hijakking.

I'll just go off and stop contributing.
I can't stand the thought of working on something for people like the above. I encourage all others to do likewise.

I agree.

And if someone does not agree and wants to argue more, plese start a new topic about it. I just wanted to answer to the response i got...






Thank you and good night.

P.s: Oh, and still nice map, Gen...

[genblood]

This is getting alittle out of hand. I've got some good feedback
and I'm reworking the map to reflect to height issues, grass
problems and try to get the geos done right. I've made some
bad maps and some so-so ones. As you know you can't please
them all. It's always some, that will like it and someone that will
hate it.

TA Spring is a good game and I'm see it getting better all the time.
The features are getting better. Most likely their will be a linux
port in the coming months.

If a moderator reads this can you just lock this posting.

Thank You .

[PauloMorfeo]

About this discussion, i want to say that, when i show a map in here asking people what they don't like, before i release it, i prefer that people speak honestly. (not beeing rude, of course)

I heard people complain about the textures i've used in Omega below water. Even though i like those and would not change them (i used similar again in Alpha), i prefer to hear them before i release it when i'm still in time to decide if i want something changed or not.

[mufdvr222]

I think I know why the map looks weird. There not big enough. Size comparism is way off. Thats why everything is small. Everyone keeps cutting corners with there maps.

My two cents,, The above is the sort of thing that gets me going, I don`t think anybody objects to some politely worded, "constructive critisism"
but to make a statement like that quoted I find hard to understand.

[SwiftSpear]

I had a 13 year old lead my first NS clan (still good friends with him). I know the 12 year old who originally programmed source forts the HL2 mod. I know several other 12-13 year old kids in many other comunities that I consider mature and effective members. Please don't judge people based on thier ages. Many young people are highly immature but the fact of the matter is that not all of them are. In my opinion you might as well be saying "You aren't as mature or apt for life because you are a black man".

[mufdvr222]

I had a 13 year old lead my first NS clan (still good friends with him). I know the 12 year old who originally programmed source forts the HL2 mod. I know several other 12-13 year old kids in many other comunities that I consider mature and effective members. Please don't judge people based on thier ages. Many young people are highly immature but the fact of the matter is that not all of them are. In my opinion you might as well be saying "You aren't as mature or apt for life because you are a black man".

I agree with you completely, I was not being age specific, rather pointing out the futility and ignorance behind that sort of post, whatever the age of the author.

[[K.B.] Napalm Cobra]

Agreed. Let 'tardtacity be the only cause for social stigma in these parts.

[aGorm]

Just wont to point out taht age realy has little to do with it... after all, I've ranted befor and I'm 19. In a job in london. So... play nice right?

Map looks good, glad your takin in some of the critasims, cant wait for the final thing.

aGorm