Reverse Sexism?

[PicassoCT]

About 90 Percent of all Teachers in German Schools are Woman, and recent surveys have shown, that boys who show the same skill at a task or exercise given, get a lower grade for it. Now, asked about, the German Minnistress for Family and Social, Ursula von der Leyen said that she "find´s it good that Girls do better in School, because they later face Discrimination in work!"

Took me a little Time to get back into my shoes, after that sentence struck me. Okay, you know i usually was for that everybody should be equal, but this, is a little blow to my weltbild. I mean, all this fighting for Equal Chances (fine with me), and then it degrades in one sentence into a sort of Apartheidsystem of Sexes... i mean, okay, girls usually do better at school, they want to fit in, are more grown up, show that Hermionish i-will-let-everybody-else-disappear-beside-my-work-attitude but i can´t imagine that you do them a favour by killing the value (You are better because you have the same sex as the teacher) of there work with a Sentence like the one above.

If this is it, i am anit-feminism from now on- and proud on it. Your Statement..

[smoth]

this sort of thing is anti-feminisim, mind you not modern dick hating feminism but old school is not like this.

The fact that the girls are treated differently makes it wrong. It is the same as race/creed....

all of those movements origonally said, "treat us no different" of course later on, as with all societal crap people over compensate. So we get things like handycaps for women or minorities getting favoritism blah blah blah.

[manored]

Indeed, people are extremelly stupid then the matter is discrimination, as often they make it oficial instead of ending it, for example, in Brazil there are spaces exclusive for black people in the universities (Even tough we hardly got color discrimation here, with most black people being poor because they descend of freed slaves and not because they are deemed inferior) what means that the govern pretty much declared "Black people are inferior, therefore we are giving then advantages to help then enter universities" while also giving an unfair disadvantage to people from other races.

I think the only way to end discrimination is making sure the LAW is equal for everbody, then waiting until people get used to the different ones, it will happen eventually. I also think that discrimination shouldnt be against law, as it goes against freedom of tough... if one person is allowed to think something as, lets say, "people that play football are stupid", why shouldnt it be allowed to think something as "black people are stupid" ?

[PicassoCT]

Not long ago i read a Article over why workingclass children, even with good grades don´t study. Summary of the Article, they don´t do it because they are not selfsecure enough they will finish there University Years with Suxess. So money/Discrimination/whatsoever is just the second important Reason, and i don´t see were quotes help against Insecurit or otherwise Psychar Phail..

I however do appreciate if the State gets involved, as long as there is no ideologic Reason behind it- and the Program is timed (10 Years, then dead) or has a chance to become selfsubstaining (for example banks who support investment into poor Students coming-soon-carreer, because with good jobs they later can repay astronomical bankdebts;)

[rattle]

I'm against people who are against anti-feminists. What does that make me?

[jcnossen]

Someone with a brain injury?

[Michilus_nimbus]

I'm against people who are against anti-feminists. What does that make me?

gay

[[Krogoth86]]

Well I have to say I had a pretty balanced rate of male and female teachers back at school although there still was this difference between scientific subjects where there were about zero female teachers and things like languages and art where we had more female than male teachers...

If the different grades really are a fact Mrs Leyen really shouldn't react in the way described. Imo this resembles some of the "movements" that come up sometimes which just pick out the best thing you can get from emancipation. I mean men and women should have the same rights but I sometimes get the impression that in most cases it's just working in one way and that's resolving some disadvantages / discrimination against women but not the other way round. Imo one example is the oh so fabulous military duty which also picks people just as organized and "fair" as the lottery picks winners but that's another story. Still I see no "real reason" why women are excluded from this fantastic experience...

Me feels highly discriminated and demands a hug!

[Pxtl]

Wow, once again, this proves to be the worst of all possible venues to discuss these issues. Seriously, take it to feministing (and get banned in 4 seconds) or pandagon (3 seconds) or glennsacks.com (and get horrified by the psychotic woman-hating farks that comment in that place).

[Dragon45]

i had a hot english teacher in middle school
i spent all day looking at her boobs

i then had a hot substitute english teacher in high school. man what a looker. spent all day paying close close attention to her.


yay bewbies

[manored]

I however do appreciate if the State gets involved, as long as there is no ideologic Reason behind it- and the Program is timed (10 Years, then dead) or has a chance to become selfsubstaining (for example banks who support investment into poor Students coming-soon-carreer, because with good jobs they later can repay astronomical bankdebts;)

I think the state can get involved by making propaganda against discrimination, but if it actually acts (in a way other than equalizing the laws) then I think it is discriminating, wanting it or not...

There are some points where man and women cant be equal tough, because they are built for different purposes :) For example: to have 10 babies in 9 months you need 10 woman (excluding multiples) but you need just 1 man, who can fertilize then all, so men are more expendable than women from the biological point of view, and that added to some biologic advantages of men over women in a battle/crisis situation is why since ancient times men go to war, and women do not.

[smoth]

since ancient times men go to war, and women do not.

ha ha ha no

[[Krogoth86]]

and that added to some biologic advantages of men over women in a battle/crisis situation is why since ancient times men go to war, and women do not.

Well I think "since ancient times" is no argument. The main reason why women weren't allowed to fight is religion which gave women subordinate roles and the fact that men in the end were suited better for battle as it was about strength, wearing heavy armor & stuff. Nowadays warfare is more about pushing buttons and pulling a trigger. Women also are nothing extraordinary today - to quote a site for female marines: Women serve in 93 percent of all occupational fields and 62 percent of all billets.

[manored]

Im not using it as an argument, I am saying that it is something that was figured out as best very early in history. I do not think religion has early influence on the matter, religion shaped itself according to the needs of the populace before the populace could start shaping itself according to religion :)

Altough its true that warfare has changed, strengh is still important, altough not vital, in infantary, being this, I believe, why women dont need to do militar service. There are also psychologic factors, I think in the overall men are better on dealing with a situation of war than women.

I do not agree with the current system tough, I think that there are exceptions and the exceptions should be covered up for... I dont know how exactly tough. Having nobody need to at all would be the best, but then volunter enlistment could be insuficient.

[Gota]

This whole thing is unintentional im sure.
Its psychological.
Im sure the maority of female teachers do not intentionaly give girls higher grades.
But its good to put it in the spotlightes and say its wrong so teachers would reflect a bit more when grading their students.

[Comp1337]

Just now in sweden the press are all over a female judge who judged subjectively, she had decided the defendant guilty before the trial had started

Never leave a woman to do a man's job

[manored]

Just now in sweden the press are all over a female judge who judged subjectively, she had decided the defendant guilty before the trial had started

Never leave a woman to do a man's job

Good job deciding how to act towards a group of around 3.000.000.000 of individuals based on the actions of one. I hope you are being sarcastic :)

[Tobi]

Stuff like this reverse sexism is quite normal here I think. Quite often I hear of multiple people soliciting for some higher function (in same organization) and then usually a woman will be picked even if she performs a lot worse then the manly candidates. And that's just because 'it would be sexist if a certain function level in the organization isn't occupied by exactly 50% woman and 50% man.' And of course this only applies to functions where >50% is man currently

[smoth]

reverse-chauvinism is the highest form of sexist behavior. People like it when negative/positive stereo-types benefit them.

[manored]

reverse-chauvinism is the highest form of sexist behavior. People like it when negative/positive stereo-types benefit them.

In most part yes, but luckly there are at least some people who dont, and those call the attention to the discrimination.