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Is this our first CHEATER or a severe bug?

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Tim Blokdijk
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Post by Tim Blokdijk »

That's a nice idea, makes it more personal.
I don't know about the anonymous part, can have drawbacks.
Also you can't measure a review.
So you need to combine a review with something that can be measured. (a number)
As I like to see a simple indicator in the lobby, I don't like to read 5 or more reviews before a 3 vs 3 game.

Another idea is to trust other people's reviews.
If I can indicate some way that I trust a persons reviews on other people that will help me build a quick network of people I like to play with.

More idea's?
tanelorn
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mother
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Post by mother »

And have Betalord put in a system that bans people trying to "new ID" around their reputations! :roll:
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Post by Min3mat »

well i want ppl to have at least two accounts so i can learn how to pwn ur ass without letting u know!;) (@mother)
Folke
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Another cheater

Post by Folke »

So heres the deal (as i saw it and the evidence seams to support that)

This guy (lets call him ManIac) enterd a gamme with me and a efw others. During said game he was attacked first ...fellt the game was lost already and gave his units, not to his allies but to his enemies.- Whish in turn ensured their fast defeat. This action made us a tad bit angryu at "the guy" so we decided we didn't care to enjoy more games with the "the guy". "the guy" then became somewhat agitated and went away.

We then persued on with our next game in wich I myslef and several others dueled it out, only to find that again and agin very strange things happend in the game. For instance my jheavy laser all of a sudden decided my own mobile fusions were evil enemys that needed to be fried. severall sumos apeard from nowere deep inside my base next to all my normal fusions. the game then continued with several differnet eplosions all over my base after tryng to finish of the game and then exiting failed because my energy got big hits all the time I got annoyed and gave all my units to me ally instead. He then proceded with experiencing the same suymptoms in his own base. After a fair biot of people started to leavce the game because of the cheating going on and fingers were pointing everywhich way there were only two people left sinvce all the others had ctrld:ed their stuff. and the strange happenings still apeared to continue. We then persumed that the fellow left and whos units were doing their fair share of strangeness was the one responsible for it all.

The plot thinked substantially when later he quit the ta client and a few seconds later "the guy" logged in the system.

To be a bit more precise ManIaC got squished in a game and then proceded with making a new playedr and ruined our next game whow he did this aside from giving away troops stationed in other bases to the enemy I don't know but some of the things sure seamed strange....

I have the replay posted on fileuniverse in this link:
http://fileuniverse.com/spring/050920-B ... 63b2-1.sdf

I also have a log of the chats inbetween games and a screenshot from when Ta_cr8zy logged of the client and when ManIaC loged on again but those I keep to mysefl til the proof is needed.

In the agme outside of myself were the following people:
JustinCase, f_clueless, Ta_cr8zy (the cheater), willieturnip, Peace, Chocapic, colorblind. And I'm sure that everyone but Ta_cr8zy can verify my story.

About the punishment hangin or baning would be fitting :P

regards Folke
Folke
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Another cheater

Post by Folke »

nothing less then a tripple post becasue of a error message...
Last edited by Folke on 21 Sep 2005, 02:18, edited 1 time in total.
Folke
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Another cheater

Post by Folke »

nothing less then a tripple post becasue of a error message...
tanelorn
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Post by tanelorn »

That's some serious evidence. Your second post of exactly the same data definitely shows that it wasn't just a fluke, or two people couldn't have posted exactly the same story.

Or could they... ?
Folke
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Sorry but.....

Post by Folke »

I got an error message when I posted so i tried again and again and then tried to see if the server waas down and then discoverd that all my messages had reached its desired place. thou three times and not one as intended.

Hope no one gets mad and spank me for it ;)
tanelorn
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Post by tanelorn »

Had it happen to me b4 2.
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PauloMorfeo
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Re: Another cheater

Post by PauloMorfeo »

Folke wrote:So heres the deal (as i saw it and the evidence seams to support that)

This guy (lets call him ManIac) ...
I also have a log of the chats inbetween games and a screenshot from when Ta_cr8zy logged of the client and when ManIaC loged on again but those I keep to mysefl til the proof is needed.
...
Yesterday.
Ta_cr8zy crazy entered as spec in a game. Then he asked who could listen to spectator's speach. After he found out that everyone listened to him, he started telling everyone what the others were doing. He did not answered when i said he was probably Tanelorn. The players were paying so much attention to what the moron was doing [/sarcasm] that he eventually got bored and left.

Then, he entered another battle room. I, suspecting that, alt-tabbed and went to warn them. He was kicked. After a while, logs out and seconds later, as i suspected, a new player, who i've never seen before, logs in. MaNiaC or something.

This dude is, no doubt, doing this on purpose, maybe inspired by all that mygot talk in the Off-Topic forum.
He is easy to figure out, he is very unskilled when it comes to upset other people (he can't even do that right, :lol: ) and, last but not least, beeing a TA player (ever since the begining of times) is beeing a sufferer. Players that play too well or too bad, people that can't join the game, games crashing, etc, etc, etc, are everyday's comonality.
Still, even though that guy ain't doing much damage (yet), there must be arranged ways to handle that kind of people before he finds the skill to be more annoying.
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Post by IMSabbel »

also notable is that talenorn didnt deny my claim that he also has (had) the devilchaser nick... And that i never saw him in the client after he showed in this (and the other) thread what an asshole he is...

(so who could that new player who does the same shit be?)
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Post by jcnossen »

And have Betalord put in a system that bans people trying to "new ID" around their reputations!
Eh, any idea how that should work? I see no way of determining someone has another account...

edit: I had the same posting error as folke!
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Kuroneko
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Post by Kuroneko »

The game is gaining griefers, thats all.
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Post by IMSabbel »

I guess a quick and dirty version would be:

Add a "send complain" feature to the client.
This will send the demo of the game, plus comments about the complain to the powers that be (SY, ect...).
If the culprit is deemed guilty, his nick will be erased.
Now he _can_ create a new one... But if you set rank minimum to 2 he has to play 5 hours with every new nick to be a bother again, which would hopefully smother his zeal of spreading assholeness...

Also, another possibility would be to allow someone to be kicked (i.e. units given to a teammember, player booted off) if does kill friendly units or gives units to the enemy.


Btw: i watched the replay... why did nobody notice those invaders? even after all where crying "cheater" and "what happened there?!", invaders were walking across the scorched earth left and right and nobody noticed....
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Post by Peace »

Just add a ingame kickvote feature = problem solved...
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Post by Folke »

IMSabbel wrote: Btw: i watched the replay... why did nobody notice those invaders? even after all where crying "cheater" and "what happened there?!", invaders were walking across the scorched earth left and right and nobody noticed....
I can't speak for everyone but I didn't actually get that it was creepers blowing everything up.. I mainly focused on killing of the last opponent with my brawlers bfore te cheater kiled of all my stuff... and occasionaly build a fuision or two to bring in a bit more energy to the air factories..

And I wasn't exactly suspecting a fellow on my own team to be the cheater that killed everything of I first suspected the other team, which later turned out to be false (note thou that I didn't point any fingers on anyone at the begingin, in exampel at anyone but Ta_cr8zy)
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Post by Kuroneko »

You need to pay more attention to your mobile fusions :P

For a good 10 min, a HLT was firing at a crawling bomb in the middle of them.
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Post by Sheekel »

Folke, i can back you up. i was going to spectate in that game but "the guy" kept quitting and coming back, we couldnt get started, so i left.

IP BAN HIS ASS BETALORD!

Also, i dont like where the online status of TA Sping is headed. Rankings and complaints and bans will only frustrate people, and then we will have cheaters who will exploit the (im going to adimit it: although the SY's are Gods, gods i tell's ya, and their work is amazing, and they have answered the prayers oft every person who ever played the original TA, TA in 3D, Spring is buggy and has no anti-cheat system) "faults" in the game. i dont want a competative community. I want an atmosphere where anyone can play without being threatened and idiots like "the guy" dont do what such people do because there is no reason to be angry at the community.

Cant we just Totally Annihilate eachother in Peace?
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Tim Blokdijk
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Post by Tim Blokdijk »

Zaphod wrote:
And have Betalord put in a system that bans people trying to "new ID" around their reputations!
Eh, any idea how that should work? I see no way of determining someone has another account...

edit: I had the same posting error as folke!
That's easely fixed.
You have to request a account on this forum in a poll, after a week 50%+ is in favor of a account we regester one for him/her.
We can also use the public key infrastructure I think.

Look the point is not that we can make it VERY hard to cheat it's that it will take (a lot of) effort that can be used to improve the game on other front's.
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