Georgia

[smoth]

inheritance is covered by a will kdr and children can be written off as a dependent.

[manored]

Unhappyfull hating marriage wont make people stop marring, else I would have already managed to make people stop being stupid, so I guess we will have to just live on :)

[Teutooni]

Abortion, eh? A human life begins when the egg cell is fertilised, imo. It is an independent organism which fits the definition of life - It has its own metabolism, and the cell can produce more stem cells through mitosis.

What is life worth, however? Plants, bacteria, fungi are all alive, but I wouldn't consider ending such life a murder. Life is but an algorithm, basically just meaning the object in question is capable of reproducing. I really don't see an ethical hinder there.

Consciousness, on the other hand, is something more than life. I consider conscious beings to be valuable beyond non-conscious stuff. After the child first produces conscious experience, ending his/her life is a murder. I do realise that with current knowledge it is quite impossible to determine the exact time, or even what consciousness really is, but that's the theoretical view I have.

[manored]

Thats around the same way I see it, except that I am not sure if there are other conscient beings but me, because, well, how can I know if everone else arent just super complex organic machines? :)

[Teutooni]

How do you know you are not a super complex organic machine? Consciousness can be an illusion you know...

But until someone solves the hard problem of consciousness I will consider it valuable.

[smoth]

Unhappyfull hating marriage wont make people stop marring, else I would have already managed to make people stop being stupid, so I guess we will have to just live on :)

I am not sure if you are properly understanding my statement.

I do not expect to stop the breeder cattle from doing what they do.

[manored]

How do you know you are not a super complex organic machine? Consciousness can be an illusion you know...

But until someone solves the hard problem of consciousness I will consider it valuable.

What does not exists cannot have ilusions, therefore I must exist. Thats the meaning of "I think, therefore I am"... off course, ever person thinks he is the one :)

What I meant is that ranting marriage wont make it stop, so save your energies :)

[smoth]

wow, do you really think I have not heard that?

[Panda]

Consciousness, on the other hand, is something more than life. I consider conscious beings to be valuable beyond non-conscious stuff. After the child first produces conscious experience, ending his/her life is a murder. I do realise that with current knowledge it is quite impossible to determine the exact time, or even what consciousness really is, but that's the theoretical view I have.

I think that your theoretical view needs refinement. Abortion and consciousness are complicated subjects especially when you take into account religious, social, and health issues related to the subject.

For example, when I was 9-years-old, I had a friend who's mother's body self-aborted a pregnancy in which she was quite far along. The poor lady was bed-ridden for weeks, very hormonal, and very ill. Some of the baby's limbs etc. had fallen out of her.

I'm not saying all of this just to gross you out, but I would think that a lot of us could not possibly imagine experiencing a situation similar to abortion or the one I just described, much less the kind of things they would have to go through socially, health-wise, or fully understand what would drive some people to willingly do that. IMO it is important to take these issues into consideration when talking about abortion.

[KDR_11k]

inheritance is covered by a will kdr and children can be written off as a dependent.

Some people die before they get to write a will. Falling into coma, needing risky treatment, etc are also things your wife gets a say on. Of course marriage doesn't require a huge ceremony, basically you just need to go to the office in charge and fill out the right form.

[Teutooni]

I think that your theoretical view needs refinement.

I am well aware of that. As new information comes available, I reconsider my views.

As for applying it in practice... well, its more like a guideline anyway. That was not my point, really.

[TradeMark]

what the, this was about georgia? right? now its about life, yay i love life talk bullshit!

How do you know you are not a super complex organic machine? Consciousness can be an illusion you know...

True. WE ARE MACHINES. what others thinks: "omg no we are not, i am a human (NOT ANIMAL!) and i has a soul! praise the jesus!" (some people actually answered in this way when i said that to them, except the jesus part =D).

True again. consciousness is an illusion. Actually, its nothing more than bunch of memories (feelings = memories). and those feelings are connected to other feelings, and those are also connected to other feelings. when you activate one feeling, you get instantly "conscious" about the other feelings too. when these activations happens really fast and your brain activates the same feelings over and over again, you feel like, conscious! Nice!, the whole "hard problem" solved, now rest in peace.

AND please dont ask where did i read these truths, i dont read books. im just so smart that i can make up stuff in my head!

life is just life and life is bullshit.

and abortion rocks!

and marriage is bullshit too.

THANKS TO THE MOTHER WHO DIDN'T ABORT! LOOK AT HOW FAR LITTLE SIMON HAS COME!

lmao yes! YES!
what pisses me off, are people who are retarded/has some genetic problems and MAKES BABIES and then WONDERS WHY their babies are also retarded XDDDD (yes i know, yes, people can get retarded babies even if the parents arent retarded, and this is why those babies should be aborted, do you really want to be their nanny until you die? (or until you kill yourself))

it goes like this:
you cant have a baby, you are retarded.
- NO I WANT BABY TOO!
NO YOU CANT HAVE A BABY!
- BUT I WANT BABY!!! WHY OTHER CAN HAS BABY BUT NOT ME THIS IS DISCRIMINATION!!!
NO YOU CANT BECAUSE YOU ARE RETARDED!!
- BUT I WANT!!!
okay. FINE. make a baby then. go make baby. GO.
- YAY! BABY!! FUN!! CUTE! wait, wtf? my baby is retarded too how this happen?
- I TOLD YA.

its just so retarded, that people thinks EVERYONE should have rights to make babies. they just wants some cute funny doll, and thinks only about themselves.

[manored]

If you think about it tough, the "conscience formed through neural signals" makes sense for everbody, except for ourself, because some interior intuition keeps telling that you are diferent from everone else. I am aware of the probability of this feeling being caused by our own survival instinct and relutancy to accept death, but regardeless I cannot shake the feeling of that I am diferent from everone else, that my conscience is infindable, as if the very universe could not exist winhout it.

[Forboding Angel]

@trademark
Retardation isn't genetic, genius.

[PicassoCT]

Well, marriage is something woman will drag you into it- so trying on it with logic is a attempt on eating soup with a fork. It is possible to understand, something about beeing for a day the center of loads of positiv social attention, reasure the choice you made in Person by softforce family &friends into celebrating approval, it´s usual also a attempt to turn love into something concrete (by social pressure from outside, wich worked in religious comunitys as a sort of ugly social insurrence- Smoth deconstructed that aready)

PS: The whole ceremony itself is (easy to see) a little civilian fallback into monarchy, pride yourself to be princess for a day, i guess has another impact.

Marriage has ruined loads of Relations, because afterwards some Part has the feeling he/she has no longer to invest the Relationship. Two Rings to ruule them all, rings to bind them, and into divorce drive them.

As this is Offtrollic and Smoth has shown a weakspot. Support the "Smoth-marry-her!" Campain.. Rock&Troll for the lulz

[TradeMark]

@trademark
Retardation isn't genetic, genius.

well i mean retarded in general, like being colorblind or something like that.

[Comp1337]

@trademark
Retardation isn't genetic, genius.

rofl
hahahahahahah

[manored]

@trademark
Retardation isn't genetic, genius.

Some mutations cause retardation tough, and mutations are hereditary.

[Forboding Angel]

@trademark
Retardation isn't genetic, genius.

Some mutations cause retardation tough, and mutations are hereditary.

This is true, but in the context that he said it, what I said applies.

He is of the persuasion that Retarded people (and yes I am talking about the condition or whatever it's proper label is) can pass the condition on to their children. If it was genetic, then yes, but generally genetic retardation is caused by incest.

[TradeMark]

well i readed some forum once, the parents were talking: "...and now our all four kids have the same syndrome as we have *bla bla bla* how this happen??? " - "oh yeah, our babies too =((( how it happen :S"

they had some mind problem, i think it was tourette syndrome they had.

and again, i dont mean only mentally limited people with word "retard"
maybe handicapped is better? idk english enough (or finnish lol) so i just say retard, or what about "broken" ? broken people!