Georgia

[Teutooni]

I wonder why all discussions in this forum about serious matters sound... hostile. I hope nobody here ever becomes a country leader :)

Even non-serious discussions are hostile.

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I wonder why all discussions in this forum about serious matters sound... hostile. I hope nobody here ever becomes a country leader :)

Even non-serious discussions are hostile.

True :) I would like to see a massive civilization game between the forum members :)

[PicassoCT]

Most of the Countryleaders you can have the Pleasure to meet are Idiots.. they are mainly good at one thing, getting and holding Power (needs network skills only). The Remaining work is delegated, hacked down into two Waydecisions by Secretarys & Advisors, or just plainly- not done in some impressiv looking Way. So i guess everybody in this Board would make pretty normal Countryleaders (although they - not PoliticalFlamewarproof would loose there Power within a week -no offence;)

Problem is that most Nations today do not hold much Powerconcentrations anymore within there Borders. Even where they hold Power, they usually lack initiative what to do with it, Govoffs battle with internal problems, Lobbys, corruption... it´s pretty Messy up there.

Look at Europe, nobody voted for it, nobody wanted it besides some Traders and the first after War Generation (to avoid the usual -Nation-against-Nation thing) - and it grows, slowly...a bureaucratic Terminatortentacle ready to conquer the world by letting it join up for economical higher goods like transfermoney.. well it could be worser, so you can´t complain

[Licho]

I voted for it and I wanted it :) I still do! Many large-scale projects and goals ar outside the scope and even sight of national goverments elected just for 4 years with goals determined by short-sighted masses. And it runs more efficiently than most national goverments (given the sum of money it has to distribute).

[Teutooni]

True :) I would like to see a massive civilization game between the forum members :)

Every time I play civilization I end up as a facist dictatorship, nuking the entire world.

[BlackLiger]

Needs a Spring Forums only version of NationStates

[manored]

True :) I would like to see a massive civilization game between the forum members :)

Every time I play civilization I end up as a facist dictatorship, nuking the entire world.

:)

I always get monarch because superior governments bring too much headache (Pop gets sad if you keep troops away and stuff) and later on get bored and quit... I only ever ended one game with star travel :)

[TheBigPK]

I went looking thru youtube for my news on the subject for decent lolz. check out this video. at 0:45 the anchor asks 'to put it plainly, sir, is your TINY COUNTRY going to war with RUSSIA?' lol. The president sounds like a huge dbag.

[KDR_11k]

You know Forb, if you tried understanding Obama's point instead of falling back on the standard Republican talking approach of taking quotes out of context and generally using ad hominem instead of making a sensible policy for yourself you'd realize he was saying that he was talking about a specific location that the cons wanted to open for drilling (arctic wildlife reserve or something like that) despite being a nature protection area. The cons kept heralding it as the solution to all your current oil price problems while the estimates are that it will reach a maximum output of 1% of the US oil consumption at earliest within ten years. Keeping your tyres at the proper pressure saves 3%. The only think opening that area for drilling will do is give some corporation a big source of money, it won't fix the oil prices.

[Licho]

Oil? Thats gonna slowly run out anyway..
Learn from TA: winds, solars, geo and then tek2fusion!

[BlackLiger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akoukq5DvAE

[PicassoCT]

It´s quite a Race, can we solve our Problems faster thane they solve us.. :D

We still take Bets Currently HumanNature is with it´s "Nuklearreligious Boost" a little ahead toward the Deathline...

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[Forboding Angel]

You know Forb, if you tried understanding Obama's point instead of falling back on the standard Republican talking approach of taking quotes out of context and generally using ad hominem instead of making a sensible policy for yourself you'd realize he was saying that he was talking about a specific location that the cons wanted to open for drilling (arctic wildlife reserve or something like that) despite being a nature protection area. The cons kept heralding it as the solution to all your current oil price problems while the estimates are that it will reach a maximum output of 1% of the US oil consumption at earliest within ten years. Keeping your tyres at the proper pressure saves 3%. The only think opening that area for drilling will do is give some corporation a big source of money, it won't fix the oil prices.

First of all, let me restate that I am not a Republican. I am a conservative and there IS a difference. There is also such a thing as a conservative democrat, in many cases referred to as "Reagan Democrats". In this particular race for president, I am voting for the lesser of two evils. Both candidates suck. McCain is an idiot, and the Messiah Lord Obama is the perfect definition of a Retard.

Lol, there was no way to take that out of context. NO WAY TO TAKE IT OUT OF CONTEXT.

He put it into context when he said it. There was no other way to take it.

And I quote the messiah himself:

"There are things you can do individually, though, to save energy. ... Making sure your tires are properly inflated - simple thing. But we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling - if everybody was just inflating their tires? And getting regular tune-ups? You'd actually save just as much." - Aug. 1 speech in Springfield, Mo.

Would you care to explain how I took that out of context? He said that if I and everyone else properly inflated our tires, we would save just as much oil as we would gain from drilling. HOW IS THAT OUT OF CONTEXT? Regular tuneups if you pay to have them done will cost 50-100 bucks every time. We are talking plugs, wires, oil change, pcv valve, coolant, transmission fluid check/change (if needed, which btw is a bitch), etc. What about consumer cost involved? Does that matter to obama?

ANWR. Arctic National Wildlife (read, mosquito) Refuge... Which is in alaska. Lets have a picture of ANWR for contextual reasons...



Hmm. Interesting. Lets have some more.





Noticing a fairly common trend? It's damn near being a total wasteland... Drilling for oil isn't going to trouble the caribou much.

Saves 3%? According to whom? That is an arbitrary percentage and a number pulled out of an ass and you know it.

As previously stated, america could be sent back to the stone age at the sake of environmentalists, and they would be perfectly happy about that. Additionally, we have assloads of clean coal, yet the plant that could service 3 states (read, 3 moderate sized european countries) is blocked from being run.

Obama is a fucking idiot. If you guys want him over there, you're welcome to him. The guy is a very good public speaker, when he has his speeches written out for him. When he has to talk off the cuff, he doesn't know what he believes anymore.

LOLFLIPFLOP?

Back to Georgia:
I have some issues with the Georgian President being referred to as a dumbass. Georgia moved troops within it's own borders. Doing so is not an act of aggression towards Russia (so when I said that Georgia started it, I was misinformed). The guy is obviously ready to stand for his beliefs (which I agree with) and to be honest, I admire him for it. He's in a super tiny country, standing up for the principles of individualism, and in that region, that takes a lot of balls.

After studying up on the subject some more, I really wish the US could do something to help. TBH I'm not real sure what we could do that wouldn't cause a shitstorm. I could really give a shit less if Russia got pissed off or not. We've beaten them before, and we'll do it again. However, I'm not real excited about the prospect of blundering into WWIII.

In WWI and WWII, the whole point was collateral damage. Anyone who things otherwise is an idiot. Last time I checked, a B52 isn't exactly a precision bomber (LOLCARPETBOMB?). Those wars were about beating your enemy into a pulp, and were very very brutal as a result. Arguably, they were fought as a war should be fought, but now we have nice things like precision missile strikes, precision bombs, etc etc. None of these strike fear into the heart as much as a B52 raid back in the day would have. With the rise of technology, war has changed dramatically, and fighting for the sake of flattening a city and by extension, an entire country, is no longer done nor accepted as something that "Has" to be done. As a result the fear that should be there, is no longer present.

@cabbage:
I never said "Easily". But the fact is that it will not take 10 years to hit the market. It would take slightly over 1 year.

We are a net importer because it "WAS" cheaper to get it from overseas. That is no longer the case.

And to say im Ignorant of the US is laughable. I've spent more time there than any other place bar where i live and work currently, have a US visa and like to think im fairly reasonable in my assement of "all things US". Unlike you, i dont get my information from fox news, or most other media outlets, atleast when it comes to certain subjects regarding defence. I dont live in a fantasy world.

But you ARE ignorant of how things work here. Spending a year or two here doesn't make you an expert on the US any more than me spending a year or two in England makes me an expert on England.

I haven't watched or read mainstream media in a long time. The large majority of Americans are moving from tv/paper news to talk radio because of the liberal(socialist) skewing of actual news. The New York Times(slime), the Washington (com)Post, and in my city the Kansas City (red)Star, are losing customers at a dizzying rate because of liberal bias. Same for ABC, NBC, CBS, and even FOX. FOX news is retaining a lot of viewers because of the fact that it generally doesn't have a lot of liberal bais (there still is some).

It is referred to as the "Drive By Media" for a reason. If it bleeds, it leads.

Sorry for everything I didn't address, but this post is already epic in proportion.

PS, I never said anything about Bush being great with the military. Petraus, yes.

[manored]

It´s quite a Race, can we solve our Problems faster thane they solve us.. :D

We still take Bets Currently HumanNature is with it´s "Nuklearreligious Boost" a little ahead toward the Deathline...

Again I cant understand you, but if you mean something like "Humanity will end up blowing itself up", I fear I have to agree thats a quite high possibility :)

[KDR_11k]

You can identify an American's political convictions by seeing which side he claims the news are biased towards...

I also love the whole "flipflop" talk whenever a politician changes his plans, probably coming from the same people who think science is wrong because it changes its views according to new evidence instead of blindly adhering to one dogma.

Just because something looks like or even is a wasteland doesn't mean there aren't rare animals living there.

By the way, you do take Obama's quote out of context by pretending he refers to ALL drilling (and don't try to claim otherwise, you said yourself he should tell that to other countries) when he was explaining how insignificant the gains from drilling in the ANWR are and how it will do JACK SHIT for fixing the "oil crisis" everyone was talking about.

BTW, the B-17 (which I presume you mean, the B-52 didn't enter service until '52, as its name indicates) was a precision bomber for its time, guided bombs didn't really exist back then and having a sight on your bomber for seeing where the bomb will roughly come down was a major improvement to blind guessing.

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lolforb

[Forboding Angel]

You can identify an American's political convictions by seeing which side he claims the news are biased towards...

I also love the whole "flipflop" talk whenever a politician changes his plans, probably coming from the same people who think science is wrong because it changes its views according to new evidence instead of blindly adhering to one dogma.

And you can always spot a european by how ignorant he is of the US. Conservative != Christian, where in the hell did you get that idea?

Just because something looks like or even is a wasteland doesn't mean there aren't rare animals living there.

The Refuge has 1.5 million square acres, of which only 2000 square acres have been put up by the administration for oil exploration. In other words, not all of ANWR would be drilled; maybe none of ANWR would be drilled because the proposal by the administration would have only opened the tiny space up for exploration to future drilling. This 2,000 acres comprises a measly .08% of the whole of ANWR.

By the way, you do take Obama's quote out of context by pretending he refers to ALL drilling (and don't try to claim otherwise, you said yourself he should tell that to other countries) when he was explaining how insignificant the gains from drilling in the ANWR are and how it will do JACK SHIT for fixing the "oil crisis" everyone was talking about.

LOLWUT?

ORLY?

But we could save all the oil that they're talking about getting off drilling

I didn't take it out of context, thank you very much. "We're" Talking about drilling offshore and in ANWR as well as inside the continental US which has boatloads in shale.

BTW, the B-17 (which I presume you mean, the B-52 didn't enter service until '52, as its name indicates) was a precision bomber for its time, guided bombs didn't really exist back then and having a sight on your bomber for seeing where the bomb will roughly come down was a major improvement to blind guessing.

Yes you are correct. For whatever reason I was thinking Vietnam (in regards to b52's).

[Forboding Angel]

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