Georgia

[Snipawolf]

Yeah, our media can collectively suck a large one.

[KDR_11k]

So yeah, reject the NATO application, leave them to eat the consequences of their own actions. The NATO is a defense treaty, not a bail-me-out-when-I-bite-off-more-than-I-can-chew deal.

[pharoph]

so this isnt a start of a war its just one idiotic stupid goverment that wants his bedroom all to him self but his brother wont let him. and the person blames the other for the fight of course...

[Forboding Angel]

anyway if the americans do get involved who evers side there up agaist there opponents are gona be sqrewd.

1:we have tanks, nuclear submarines, precision strike, aircraft, bombers, amphibous assualts, democracy, and what other stuff we have in our secret labs that nobody knows about.

2:nukes ahoy!

3:you have britney spears !!

The US should just send Barak Obama to Russia. He'll talk em out of it He'll also tell them how they can stop drilling or buying oil because they don't need so much now that they properly inflate their tires.

/Sarcasm

On an serious note... Could we send brittany, tom cruise, nicole richie (I would say paris hilton here, but her tv ad was funny as hell, so she gets exempted), keanu reeves, harry reid, nancy pulosi and the cookie monster over?

*Note* Half of the people on that list will do if not the whole list.

[Forboding Angel]

To understand they why and whatfor get a Underground Map of Georgio... Oil here, Gas there.. Gunfire everywhere..

By a electric Car to end this War..

Trucks, trains, ships, and airplanes do not run on electricity. All 4 are required to sustain an economy.

[pharoph]

To understand they why and whatfor get a Underground Map of Georgio... Oil here, Gas there.. Gunfire everywhere..

By a electric Car to end this War..

Trucks, trains, ships, and airplanes do not run on electricity. All 4 are required to sustain an economy.

and yet train and aeroplanes (correct spelling thankyou thankyou )are all we need. if people didnt look so down and wheren't stupid whe'd could acutaly be in the future right now. doing very well.

[KDR_11k]

trains [..] do not run on electricity.

Hello and welcome to 2008, time traveller, where we have trains that use electricity instead of coal.

[pharoph]

trains [..] do not run on electricity.

Hello and welcome to 2008, time traveller, where we have trains that use electricity instead of coal.

hes talking about the fright ones that use diesel. that ship cargo all over the continents. electric trains are people carryers.

[yuritch]

In most of exUSSR, most of railroads are electrified. That means all trains on them use electric power, no matter passenger or cargo ones (though passenger and freight locomotives are different, ones being faster and others more powerful). I strongly suspect it's the same in the rest of Europe, too. USA is well known for having low railroad electrification however :)

[pharoph]

current news,

gorgia ha decleared a cease fire but moscow isnt listening,
people flee for there lives,
gorgia' president denise they started it,
the media discover a pipeline than runs through gorgia.

[PicassoCT]

Eletric Planes.. that´s insane, completely impossible, and yet there is no real Alternative, because otherwise Emirates will be the only Airline left on the Planet.. Economic Preasure makes it possible Thx for flying with Time Travell Airlines..

[Zpock]

Replace aircraft with zeppeliners, solar powered of course, ships can use sails, railroads electricity and trucks could as well with some work. Return of age of sail and zepelins would be so awesome.

[Teutooni]

Damn hippies... Fusion power is The Way.

[Sleksa]

Yeah, our media can collectively suck a large one.

cnn.com:

-Blood in the streets: Russia bombs georgian cities
-damage in georgia
-georgians describe fighting
-Cease-fire proposed as Russia bombs Georgia

-Saakashvili claimed that Georgian troops had downed "18 or 19" Russian warplanes, killed hundreds of Russian troops and repelled a Russian assault on the Georgian city of Gori. ( :-D )

-French and Finnish ministers, along with their Georgian counterpart, would visit Gori Monday afternoon to see first-hand damage caused by Russian airstrikes.

-Swarms of Russian jets launched new raids on Georgia Monday.


bbc.com:

-Georgia said dozens of Russian bombers were attacking targets inside its territory, including around Tbilisi.

-Reports said a Russian general issued an ultimatum to Georgian forces to pull out of Abkhazia's Kodori Gorge or Russian would send in its troops. Earlier, reports in Moscow said 9,000 Russian troops were being deployed to Abkhazia.

-"I said this violence is unacceptable," Mr Bush said, adding: "I was very firm with Vladimir Putin. Hopefully this will get resolved peacefully."

fox news:

-Russian Jets Bomb Georgian Targets; Georgia Signs Cease-Fire Pledge


doesnt sound very neutral, but what can you expect from fox news

if someone knows any russian news-sites (preferrably in english, my cyrilic is weak), please link me , so we can compare 2 sources ~~

[yuritch]

if someone knows any russian news-sites (preferrably in english, my cyrilic is weak), please link me , so we can compare 2 sources ~~

Russia Today, a more-or-less official Russian news source for English-speaking people.
Here's another one (though this one seems to be biased, but not the way Western sources are).

[PicassoCT]

Damn hippies... Fusion power is The Way.

Fusion Power. Your personal Energydream, unavailable due to ´little ´Technological Difficulties since 1957. Soon to be released.. when its done*



*Not before DukeNukemForever

[Forboding Angel]

trains [..] do not run on electricity.

Hello and welcome to 2008, time traveller, where we have trains that use electricity instead of coal.

I was talking about cargo and freight only when I said that.

Figure out how to make a loco pull 150 cars with electricity plskthx.

Edit: in before duke nukem forever

Edit2:

[Argh]

According to the latest news I read, here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_ ... th_ossetia

Russia's just invaded Georgia in the west, widening the war

This probably means that the Georgians managed to close or impede that tunnel.

Given that move, which that first article I cited said was the best strategic response available... that means that the Russians were quite ready- you can't launch attacks on that scale without quite a lot of preparation. Among other things, one of the lessons to be learned is that Georgia's strategic intelligence was woefully inadequate.

I suspect this is going to keep going until Georgia has been occupied by the Russians, they seem to show no signs of stopping their forces at this time. Putin's comments indicated that the Russian government has decided that capture of the Georgian political authorities is now a strategic objective of the Russian government- words that will be very hard to back away from.

Looks grim, folks. I suspect that Georgia will be in Russian hands before the end of the month.

[LordMuffe]

@ Forboding Angel

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 073-00.jpg

they can pull anything, like the diesel locomotives. If not one is capable alone, take two/three/usw...

The electric ones have equal or even more power per weight as the diesel locomotives.

To the Georgia "situation":

it would be bad for Europe if the Russians take that country, we need the BTC free from Russian controle.

[yuritch]

According to the latest news I read, here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_ ... th_ossetia

Russia's just invaded Georgia in the west, widening the war

Might have been Abkhazian forces. They drive the same APCs Russians do, wear the same camo and shoot the same weapons, not to mention they aren't bound by Georgia borders. Only they aren't Russian troops. I think we'll know more on this soon enough.
As for the tunnel, here's a map of the first day of that conflict (situation had already changed since):

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Blue forces are Georgians, red forces (defence) are South Ossetians, red arrows are the Russians. Take note of Russian's path - they all come from the single road. That is the one that leads to the tunnel.