XTA

[smoth]

pintle, I do not have the time to read giant chat logs.

The point is that there has to be some way to fix it. You guys can include a fork within XTA even going so far as to have balance mods stored within XTA.

[pintle]

Mhm i never denied that it was fixable, in fact i went so far as to try and establish how we could go about doing such a thing before the thread was attacked by 300/mortal kombat image macros...

[smoth]

don't try and blame me. You were using language that would only irritate noraus prior to me posting in here.

[pintle]

indeed, i was rather irritated myself after weeks of trying to gain any response at all :)

[smoth]

well, I am not sure how I can help the communication here, but is there any reason why pintle cannot make a branch of xta?

[pintle]

I am not undertaking mod dev, and have no interest in doing so despite Big Boss' assertions to the contrary.

[The_Big_Boss]

mhmm

Pintle: I have a group of friends I represent in Zanzibar land too.

You know Smoth, you have made my day. If when the planets allign and it's strange cosmic rays came down on to you Smoth and you wanted to play xta, you let me know. Pluto doesnt count anymore, our scientists dispelled its powers, so proper alignment should be more frequent.

Troll accusations are over rated. It reminds me of the great Red Scare.

[bashar]

mhmm

Pintle: I have a group of friends I represent in Zanzibar land too.

Ah well Im waiting for you to give us their lobby/spring account, would be usefull to have some discussion with them.

At least pintle really have some people behind him.
Why when pintle ask for xta modder to take into account the community opinions, it seems so arrogant/pointless to you and Noruas?
Anyway, BB you claimed before that democraty is a failing system, I donno about Noruas, but he obviously don't think "you people" is a valuable thing.

[bashar]

but lets say for example that the mine clearer's should be completely removed because everyone said so, should i not allow this if i dis agree due to game play changes that some people do not want?

You are just telling here that only you can watch all the implication of remove/keep mines clearer. Fine. So do you consider yourself as the only one able to balance correctly?
You did some good choice, I was against DTs fix, you did it (following community request iirc) and now I think you did right, you stop the crasherz spam and I think you did right , I like the level 1 of morphed comm (assuming the dgun thing will be fixed but it's not a choice, just a bug), you gave mobile arty a chance, and so on. But some others point, seems to be bad choice for some members of the XTA players.
Why don't you just debate with us about these points? Maybe with some of your inputs we could agreed about some choice. At the moment it's like microsoft : you are coding your stuff secretly in your lab and suddenly release it. "Take it as it is, it's a perfect product". Huh.

[The_Big_Boss]

Yeah next time im in Zanzibar I'll ask them to log on and my people can talk with pintle's people.

Here is something you people(Ivory King, Pintle, and Bashar) do not recognize. Read very carefully.

XTA was established as a Democracy by SJ. It was a long time ago.
Is the community failing at democracy? Some would say so.
Not the community tho, since democracy is just about consent.
A forum where we just add +1 to arguments would be just excellent.
Democracy is the best system. Only the good guys use democracy...

Do you 3 remember when SJ set up Democracy and he warned the community about the need for good will, the weariness of trollers, and the need for consent for xta to be a good mod?

[pintle]

Not the community tho, since democracy is just about consent.

LOL

If indeed you do accept that dev should be a democratic proccess, there is nothing more to discuss really.

[The_Big_Boss]

Do I believe the dev process should be democratic? Name me one mod that is.

Do you remember SJ saying all that?

[AF]

SJ said a lot of things, remember the SYs were not a community democracy but an oligarchy.

However the SYs are no longer here and only fnordia has involvement of which it is limited. Our current system is more of an oligarchy comprised of developers and moderators who rely on the rest of the community to propose decisions which they then give the thumbs up or down on. hmm thats a terrible explanation =/

[Noruas]

Lurk harder at Big Boss's post....

Yeah next time im in Zanzibar I'll ask them to log on and my people can talk with pintle's people.

Here is something you people(Ivory King, Pintle, and Bashar) do not recognize. Read very carefully.

XTA was established as a Democracy by SJ. It was a long time ago.
Is the community failing at democracy? Some would say so.
Not the community tho, since democracy is just about consent.
A forum where we just add +1 to arguments would be just excellent.
Democracy is the best system. Only the good guys use democracy...

Do you 3 remember when SJ set up Democracy and he warned the community about the need for good will, the weariness of trollers, and the need for consent for xta to be a good mod?

[pintle]

the need for consent for xta to be a good mod?

I dont remember SJ saying that. I remeber about 10 games with SJ in the 2.5 years I've been playing XTA.

I do remeber over 1000 hours of playing XTA. Find me someone with more, then patronise me with "lul i wuz heer first".

[bashar]

SJ said a lot of things, remember the SYs were not a community democracy but an oligarchy.

SJ was an oligarch, but a wise one.
Now we just have 2 impostor just trying to show us we are wrong waiting them to take our feedback into account.
Cause all the post here are just "we don't need you. Shut up". Did you somewhere in this forum gave something to improve the process? No.

[1v0ry_k1ng]

i dont know what shit you guys are talking about democracy and that but the dev has to pay attention to the players and if he goes away and fucks up the mod then hes not going to stay in control.
if thangs dont improve by next version im down with any democratic or at least intelligent fork that appears

[smoth]

the above is not true of all mods

[The_Big_Boss]

Good. Because Sj never said any of that. He was purely a dictatorship/philosopher king who called the shots in xta dev.

So if SJ, who was in charge of the xta project, didn't make xta a democracy, who did?

[Peet]

Boss, could you post a general timeline of XTA's existence? I'd like to see what your conception of it is.