"Green computing"

[Caydr]

Is for morons. The whole notion of saving 30 watts on a "green" cpu or 20 watts for a "green" gpu, or hell, anything for saving anything, is retarded and made of fail and ipods.

You aren't saving anything. Your computer might go from 500 watts to 450 watts. Hell let's say it goes down to 2 watts power consumption, you're still saving something like 13 cents a month. Don't be such damn cheap hippies.

Even if it was $10 a month - which it isn't - that's below the threshold of "who gives a damn" for anyone that has a job - and if you don't have a job you're a hippy with no computer so you don't matter. I gave a kid on a bus $10 to shut up, best $10 I ever spent, and I'll see if he's interested in a monthly "shutting up" subscription fee next time I see him. I'm going to go order a pizza and throw it away as soon as it gets here just to offset your cheapness.

Besides my infallible argument above, it's the same deal as with hybrid cars: for the higher cost of purchase you have to drive them 6 years before you even break even, and by then there'll be better alternatives.

A'course, there'll never be a better alternative with PCs, because the savings will always be so minimal you're a twit if you think you're saving anything at all.

And why the heck is Firefox saying "there'll" isn't a word?

[Day]

Amazing how you still find time to post all these things.

Don't stop!

:-

[Caydr]

Waiting for a download to finish.

[Day]

Explains...

[jcnossen]

I'm going to go order a pizza and throw it away as soon as it gets here just to offset your cheapness.

I hate u, no pizza should ever be wasted

[imbaczek]

just proves that you don't understand what's it all about when you equate watts with cents.

[Forboding Angel]

I agree with him TBH. I could give a rats ass about something that saves me 5 bucks a month. WHooptee frickin doo.

60 dollars per year saved vs the amount of money I would have had to spend "Getting green" in the first place.

Barring Nukes being blown up all over the planet, man is not going to cause the destruction of the "Earf" by letting our computers use too much energy.

Right now CO2 levels worldwide are at 1/32 of 1%, nitrogen at 20% and oxygen at 80% with more or less 1% argon.

If you want to decrease your co2 emissions, maybe you should start holding your breath.

What is it with humans and always thinking that the universe is centered around them?

[Caydr]

I'm going to go order a pizza and throw it away as soon as it gets here just to offset your cheapness.

I hate u, no pizza should ever be wasted

Alright, I will buy you two pizzas to offset my one pizza wasted. Let's call it "pizza credits".

(hur hur, pizza credits, carbon credits... thought I should explain in case the dirty dirty foreigners don't know about the crazy ideas we have over here)

[Dash_Riprock]

You could save much, much more power just by putting the thing in standby every time you leave it for more than 15 minutes. The amount of effort it takes is equal to hitting <windows> <up> <enter> <enter> when you leave it, and pushing the power button when you get back to it. Plus the whole 5 seconds you have to wait for it to come back out of standby.

[Caydr]

Seriously that's a good idea but only if I can map it to a key combination. Key combination are better than anything, ever.

Aw crap, what happens to my torrents?

And besides which isn't it possible to set your computer to automatically go to standby after X amount of minutes, in the Control Panel > Power menu?

And now that I think of it, you can tell Windows that you want it to go to standby when you hit the power button I think, too.

I need one of those space-age systems where the home detects where you are and automatically turns stuff off. Pushing the power button is too much effort. Seriously.

Gotta go my pizza just arrived.

[Wolf-In-Exile]

I think most (if not all) people who leave their computers on for long periods of time set it to standby mode (isn't it on default settings anyway?) so I don't see why all the fuss.

[AF]

I think the point is a little helps all. There are currently ~1 billion PCs in use. 1billion*30 watts, that's a gigawatt of usage that could be saved, a very expensive amount of power to be purchasing in say, a large server farm with thousands of such cpus??

[Forboding Angel]

good luck getting 1 billion people to listen, lemmie know when that happens, mmk?

[Elkvis]

You are forgiven for being vane enough to think that greater PC market gives a flying fuck about 'enthusiast' opinions.

The argument is one about scale: Think about enterprise scales.
Say I am a medium-to-large organisation; I have 300 PC's, each running about 70 Watts at idle 24/7. If I can buy a CPU with 10 watt savings, HHD's with 2 watt savings, a PSU with 5 watt savings and a motherboard with a further 5.... Then I have gone from using 21000 watts 24/7 to under 15000 watts.

Considering that 'green power' parts currently cost about the same as conventional (brown?) powered parts, there are no downsides.


We have a server room at work, with aircon, and about 20 dual CPU (P4-based) servers. It costs $20,000 in power to run, per year. By moving to newer, lower power, server architecture (and a level of virtualisation) we plane to about half of that.


You'll forgive me for being blunt. but you are naive if you think power saving hardware is about you. It is being driven by business, and then brought down and marketed to the unwashed masses.


Also, call me lefty scum, but I think those poo-pooing the general industry move towards lower power consumption are ultra-conservative philistines.

[Final]

My keyboard has a button with a picture of a half crescent moon on it.

I have never Dared to press it. Mysterious things may happen.

[Elkvis]

About once a Luna cycle; you have to press that to prevent the activation of ware-wolf mode. It tricks the keyboard.


Mine has a little star. if I press it, music starts it flashes many bright colours, is slightly faster and in invulnerable...

But only for a short time.

[Pxtl]

Well, it depends what we're talking about. Green computing for a heavy workhorse machine, playing games, modeling or doing software development? Pointless. You need the power.

For a file-server or the typical "web/email/word" person? Hell yes. There is no goddamned reason that grandma needs a 400 watt quad-core processor. Ditto my file and print server. I'd love a green-machine I could use for a file/print server, since otherwise I prefer not to have one at home because of the juice.

The Macbook Air runs on 37 watts. That's less than the fluorescent lights in my dining room. Meanwhile, desktop computers are rapidly approaching my toaster for power-consumption.

[Forboding Angel]

You are forgiven for being vane enough to think that greater PC market gives a flying fuck about 'enthusiast' opinions.

The argument is one about scale: Think about enterprise scales.
Say I am a medium-to-large organisation; I have 300 PC's, each running about 70 Watts at idle 24/7. If I can buy a CPU with 10 watt savings, HHD's with 2 watt savings, a PSU with 5 watt savings and a motherboard with a further 5.... Then I have gone from using 21000 watts 24/7 to under 15000 watts.

Considering that 'green power' parts currently cost about the same as conventional (brown?) powered parts, there are no downsides.


We have a server room at work, with aircon, and about 20 dual CPU (P4-based) servers. It costs $20,000 in power to run, per year. By moving to newer, lower power, server architecture (and a level of virtualisation) we plane to about half of that.


You'll forgive me for being blunt. but you are naive if you think power saving hardware is about you. It is being driven by business, and then brought down and marketed to the unwashed masses.


Also, call me lefty scum, but I think those poo-pooing the general industry move towards lower power consumption are ultra-conservative philistines.

You are forgiven for your bad Grammar.

No downside to going green? I fail to see how if a company spent all that money for no other reason than "Going Green". If they updated and went green in the process then that's all fine and good, however if you think companies should be forced to "Go Green" before they need to upgrade equipment, then you have one too many holes in your head.

Interestingly enough, my only living grandmother is over 80 years old has a dual core.

My Only surviving Grandfather (Reason I'm saying it like this is that I lost a Grandmother and a grandfather in the past 3 years) is 91 this year, and has a 3ghz machine, and both are damn good at using them too.

No real relevance on that, just thought it was kinda funny now that pxtl mentioned it


Simple truth is, the world is not going to end in your lifetime or even your children's lifetimes, enjoy life to the fullest and do what YOU would LIKE to do, not what you are FORCED (physically or mentally) to do (Other than obeying the law, taxes... common sense stuff).

[Pxtl]

That's just greenwashing - they're making a dull, uninteresting process like a routine upgrade into a sexy, hot concept like "green computing" that's really about their own bottom line anyways. Not that there's anything wrong with that. But it's all spin.

[manored]

Simple truth is, the world is not going to end in your lifetime or even your children's lifetimes, enjoy life to the fullest and do what YOU would LIKE to do, not what you are FORCED (physically or mentally) to do (Other than obeying the law, taxes... common sense stuff).

I agree. environmentalists seen to think humans are above nature and because of that have to protect it and stuff, or that nature is a living and bloodlust being that is gonna kill everone if we dont stop "hurting it". We are animals, we evolved just like any other and are PART of nature, we should just care for ourselfes (like all other animals do) and let the species unready to deal with our presence and actions die. Off course we should avoid doing things that will be more bad than good to us, such as throwing oil in the sea killing the fishes that we eat on the process.