Is Contributing Required?

[Comp1337]

AOLer

That was low man

[AF]

You're the one with the vendetta, I simply troll you because of it

Hugs n Kisses!

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RULES: NO FURRIES, COCKS ONLY

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[SwiftSpear]

People post opinions and decisions on the forums, or maybe theyre just having fun and making the most of it, but when they're not you have to evaluate their responses.

It's fallacious to evaluate someone's response/opinion based on credential. Credentials tell what you can and can't do, not how well you can think.

Claiming that X is right because X is smart is an Appeal to authority and it is fallacy.

Claiming that X is wrong because X is stupid is an Ad hominem and it is fallacy.

If someone is wrong there is always some reason more powerful than because they are stupid first, and if someone is right there is always some reason why they are right more powerful than that they are smart.

I don't care if you personally decide to discredit someone's opinion because you don't feel they are qualified to post on the subject at hand, that's fine. But don't post about it, because it's flame baiting, and I'm not going to take your side. If you have time to assault someone's character, you have time to find some real evidence.

[SinbadEV]

AOLer

That was low man

I had not intended to categorize you as such, you were given your own spot in the list. Ergo, I had expressly said you are NOT an AOLer.

[AF]

If someone attacks me consistently over a large period of time I don't feel its wise to respond to their criticisms, and while logical fallacies are indeed fallacious, the human psyche is not a pure logic machine.

If an utter twit starts posting random crap in a thread are you going to check each and every one for a valid point meticulously? Your moderator status put aside...

[smoth]

I do concur, that previous experience can be proven to be incorrect. However, when presented with information from a source who is largely ignorant on a subject I do not feel the person is valid as far as a source of info. Swift you know who I am talking about.

I think what af is saying is that experience may help to validate what the person is saying better then if say the person has no experience. It is always better then random bullshit from someone who is entirely ignorant as that ignorant person will possibly mislead people with said incorrect knowledge.

In the end, I think it is important to give ear to people as we are all experts on our own feelings. For example, blackliger has not made anything but if he tried gundam I would hear him out. The reason is that he brings a new perspective to the table. I may in the end disregard his opinion or even argue with him on it if I see merit in his opinion. In fact such heated discussions can result in a better solution as it helps iron out the flaws in the current setup and the potential flaws in the solution.

However, to partially contradict myself here. I also understand the argument made about people giving feedback when they have played something very little. Without experience in a particular project the user will be giving feedback based on prior experience in another ruleset. I.E. if I come from gundam, I feel ba is slow to build, and the inverse is true for BA players.

Ultimately it is about perception. Felix, that is why many of us take things too seriously. I take gundam very seriously because I want it to be good, and even better with each release. I also work on myself so if neither gundam nor smoth gets feedback you get tek to rage rather then the current MORE patient smoth.

[Felix the Cat]

I agree that there are areas where some experience is required in order to comment knowledgeably. I don't think anyone's disputing this.

I wouldn't take some random joe's opinions on, say, the best multithreading architecture to use in my code very seriously, unless random joe can prove that he has relevant experience in that area of programming.

Experience doesn't necessarily mean contributions to the project, though. Contributing to the project and its role in evaluating input is what the thread was originally about.

There are also areas in which experience is not required to comment. Aesthetics is one of these areas.

Should contribution to the project give one's opinions more weight in areas irrelevant to the contributions? Ex. should (hypothetically) Kdr's opinions on, say, the design of the new web site be more important because he's contributed a lot of Lua stuff? Should Swifty's mean less because he hasn't contributed anything? (to my knowledge, correct me if I'm wrong Swifty)

[SwiftSpear]

Once again. I'm not going to stop you from forming an opinion based on someone's credentials. I will stop you from assaulting their character because you disagree with their opinion though. It's not valid argumentation and it's against our rules.

I won't actually do anything if you choose to quote your own person e-resume as a point in an argument... but it is kinda stupid, and does more to make you look vain then it actually lends credence to your point.

Felix: I've tweaked forum settings... I don't really think that counts though

[smoth]

Definitely not, contribution does not give right or priority to anyone when it comes to general feedback. I would say if a contributor has a need for a feature or say use for it then it may be a NICE thing to oblige as they are likely to use it and others could benefit. Now say on engine features, there are many others that are actively needed so I would say give the contributors a bit of priority.

Things like say, site design, the logo etc.. I say we all should have a say.. well all of us but the ones who suggest idiotic things like say making teh spring logoz shaped like lemonparty. Mappers do not have more say on moding and moders are not more important then say a troll when it comes to site design. Let's just hope the troll and moder make reasonable suggestions.

[SwiftSpear]

We should add a map of the day section on the frontpage.

[smoth]

that would be neat but how do you pick the map?

[SwiftSpear]

that would be neat but how do you pick the map?

To make it easy I'd probably just set up lists of 30 maps I like at the beginning of each month or something... In retrospective, map of the week would probably work better than map of the day...

A: less work
B: people are actually likely to check and see what the MOTW is
C: would give us more time to do something fun like a vote

[smoth]

it would be cool, but be ready for massive drama.

[Felix the Cat]

Hmm.

Perhaps a Game of the Week (or Game of the Month or whatever) and then that game's creator or team can pick the associated Map of the Week/Month/whatever?

That way it all fits together, and a game that uses non standard maps (i.e. KP) could feature a map for its game.

[smoth]

could be neat, if a list is created, all games could get featured and no baaaaaaaaaaaawing would result.

[Teutooni]

I vote DeltaSiegeDry as the first map of the week.

Edit: On a serious note, a map of the week could actually be worthwhile. Who knows. Link it in #main topic?

[I2:Isaacment_Day]

Make Eisland the map of the week

its an amazing map that basically no-one has heard of

[Forboding Angel]

AOLOLWUT?