Bad Moderating

[Sefidel2]

I have been banned again, as usual, for disrespecting peet. This is ridiculous, the man bans people for things he disagrees with, i have many log files that prove that he only bans me when i say pro america stuff, and only when others are putting my country down. Its incredibly inappropriate and not good moderating. If we wish to have this community grow, we need to cut out the bullshit, specifically unfair moderating. Moderators shoudl be moderated to, honestly spring will lose many players if this issue is not resolved. It is inappropriate to ban someone just because you disagree with them. I suggest that Peet be removed as administrator. If not, then I and many other players will begin to use spring playersclub.com as a host, rather than put up with bullshit. that may not seem like a big deal, but there are only 100 of us. I HIGHLY suggest everyone takes my warning seriously, as this is the type stuff that causes us to lose good players in the long term. VOTE PEET OFF MODERATORS.

[Peet]

Moved back to public because a large number of people think my actions actually need to be verbosely justified in this case. I'll do so after my computer science exam, which is in an hour.

[Machiosabre]

I think I should be a moderator instead of peets, or any other moderator I don't really care which one.

[koshi]

for reference, todays log from #sy: http://pastebin.ca/979785

[lurker]

for reference, todays log from #sy: http://pastebin.ca/979785

And here is the log from soon after the banning: http://pastebin.ca/979382
If anyone posts without skimming these logs and the pastebins they link to, I will come to their residence and do unpleasant things.

[Machiosabre]

I never get this, why if you think you got banned unfairly would you pull shit that gets you banned 50 times over while trying to get unbanned, it's the dumbest thing ever.

err I got arrested for murder, but I didn't do it! afterwards I killed 12 cops but that doesn't matter cause they shouldn't have tried to arrest me in the first place.

[[TS]Lollocide]

[quote="Machiosabre"]I never get this, why if you think you got banned unfairly would you pull shit that gets you banned 50 times over while trying to get unbanned, it's the dumbest thing ever.

err I got arrested for murder, but I didn't do it! afterwards I killed 12 cops but that doesn't matter cause they shouldn't have tried to arrest me in the first place.[/quote]

I don't think 'Swearing cuz ur pissed off' and murder are really comparable.

[Machiosabre]

replace it with any crime, the crime isn't the point.
being wrongfully punished doesn't mean you can break every rule afterwards and expect to be rewarded.

[[TS]Lollocide]

[quote="Machiosabre"]replace it with any crime, the crime isn't the point.
being wrongfully punished doesn't mean you can break every rule afterwards and expect to be rewarded.[/quote]

You can't really apply the Lobby/spring rules to outside programs, so ur doin it wrong.

[Machiosabre]

fine forget that, lets look at it this way, say we agree the initial ban, which probably wouldn't have lasted too long, was unjust and we unban him in the spirit of justice.

but to be fair he'll also be punished for what he did afterwards and get a freaking lifetime ban. get what I'm saying.

[[TS]Lollocide]

[quote="Machiosabre"]fine forget that, lets look at it this way, say we agree the initial ban, which probably wouldn't have lasted too long, was unjust and we unban him in the spirit of justice.

but to be fair he'll also be punished for what he did afterwards and get a freaking lifetime ban. get what I'm saying.[/quote]

Again, 'what he did afterwards' was swear using a non-spring related client. Not to mention before that whole tirade bypassed the ban to APOLOGISE: http://pastebin.ca/979716 which was met with a highly rude response from someone who is ultimately there to defuse these situations. If anything this is indicative of the need for a system where bans longer than acouple hours can be challenged and, if deemed needed, have another impartial moderator hear BOTH arguments.

[Machiosabre]

from what I gather he got banned, then bandodged to spam fuck at peet, then complained in #sy(with maybe another bandodge, I assume so). and got mad and started swearing at everyone. and then bandodged again to apologize to peet.

which you could also figure out from reading the apology : "[8:26:37 AM] <Peet> Considering your behaviour to me in PM and in #sy...Try apologizing in a week, or a month, or perhaps several years."

[lurker]

Again, 'what he did afterwards' was swear using a non-spring related client.

In the spring irc channel.

Not to mention before that whole tirade bypassed the ban to APOLOGISE: http://pastebin.ca/979716

No. Did you even read that pastebin? "<Peet> Considering your behaviour to me in PM and in #sy" This was after three seperate tirades in #sy that he finally tried apologising.

[[TS]Lollocide]

[quote="Machiosabre"]from what I gather he got banned, then bandodged to spam fuck at peet, then complained in #sy(with maybe another bandodge, I assume so). and got mad and started swearing at everyone. and then bandodged again to apologize to peet.

which you could also figure out from reading the apology : "[8:26:37 AM] <Peet> Considering your behaviour to me in PM and in #sy...Try apologizing in a week, or a month, or perhaps several years."[/quote]

Err. Insofar as I know it went:

Mute.
Pm Spam.
Ban.
Bandodge to say sorry.
banned.
RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE.

Oh, you can log on #sy from quakenet on mIRC, so he probably didn't bandodge to get on there.

edit: Spring [b]IRC[/b] is not Spring [b]lobby[/b]

double edit: stupid codes.

[Machiosabre]

yeah but thats impossible, considering the apology log.

I know you're his friend and I think he's ok too, but this is ridiculous, he was being really stupid and doesn't have a leg to stand on.
The best thing he can do now is not call attention to it and hope he gets unbanned after a week.

[lurker]

This is how it went:
Mute.
Pm Spam.
Ban.
RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE
...period of calm...
RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE
...period of calm...
RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE
...period of calm...
Bandodge to say sorry.
Denied, rebanned.
RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE

You're not taking time zones into account.
And I'm still lauging at what sent off the third RAEG:
(9:26:01 AM) tvo: looking at the irc backlog the ban seems fine
(9:26:53 AM) _Seifidel232: tx for your no opinion
He told off tobi.

[[TS]Lollocide]

Its not like spring is a high-end payfor gaming site, we have acouple hundred members who play spring quite alot and then this shit gets blows up.

Personally, yeah, I like the guy, but he was more than obviously raging because Peet banned him, but its not like he hacked out the server or anything that major. I don't see raging out at a guy as behavior that deserves a ban longer than acouple of days.

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[AF]

If I wanted to know who was banned and why on these forums and in the lobby I would not be able to find out unless I made a concerted effort to contact numerous moderators and administrators.

Sefidel, while I agree with your reasoning, and I myself was not happy about peet becoming a moderator, I have yet to see any evidence of peets unsuitability that occurred while he has a moderator spanner. Please blame your use of a pastebin for which the DNS is highly unreliable, if someone could copy it over to say http://pastebin.com/ ??

While moderators should be moderated and actions as severe as bans should be visible to all if not to serve as an example, if a moderator suitability is questioned we should not resort to futile threats and accusations. Collect evidence to support your request and present as much of it as possible, making sure as much of it as possible is hard evidence of unfair moderator action or of actions by peet that are in his best interests and not that of the spring community.

[lurker]

Everything in one post on pastebin.com
http://pastebin.com/m2019b706

[Machiosabre]

so what are you saying?