whats your favorite gun?

[Columbus]

I love the spider gun from Unreal II
Nothing is cooler, than having a swarm of little spiders around you, attacking your foes.

[Sleksa]

It's still an AK variant, and fundamentally, even if it's still more accurate, doesn't address the plethora of other problems with the AK design. outdated/slow munitions, awkward rechambering and unidexterous design, very high recoil, poor balance/ergonomics, and very long profile(which makes it suck for CQC).

Outdated munitions? Rk62 and ak both use 7.62 cartridge. The russians basically switched back to AKM( which uses 7.62) from ak74 (5.50) in chechenya since the 5.50 shots caused little damage in the body, compared to 7.62's stopping power.


http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesit ... 042_en.dsp

I mean realistically, the AK is a very good assault rifle, and therefore the "best" AK is a very very good assault rifle. But there are just too many problems with the AK for me to consider it the best assault rifle ever made. Especially in comparison to many of the new AR systems like the HK416 and OICW, and I can't even speak for the many bullpup systems which stormed the market, I haven't done any research on them aside from using the AUG in CS.

The new versions of the m16 serie are more focused on police/special forces use, and OICW, while looking promising, is a cancelled project.

But on the bullpups you are right. The p90 is imo the best example of the advantages of this design

[PicassoCT]

OICW and the other Concepts based on the "Programmed-In-Mid-Air-Exploding-Grenades" Ammonition (Something coming really close to the Bolter) were quite dangerous - because you couldn´t expect people in Combatstress to recalculate the dangerous Fragmentationspheres into there Moving patterns. Just look how many Accidents already happen with friendly fire - so many great concepts thought over on the Sandbox and tested in Shooting Ranges are quite dangerous to your own side in "messy" real Combat.

[Teutooni]

http://www.aopt91.dsl.pipex.com/railgun ... 0index.htm

Craters from the HE shells measured 30-ft wide and 30-ft deep while the concrete piercing projectile proved capable of penetrating 264-ft of reinforced concrete before exploding!

Not very practical, though...

[RavingManiac]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davy_Crock ... _device%29

[SwiftSpear]

It's still an AK variant, and fundamentally, even if it's still more accurate, doesn't address the plethora of other problems with the AK design. outdated/slow munitions, awkward rechambering and unidexterous design, very high recoil, poor balance/ergonomics, and very long profile(which makes it suck for CQC).

Outdated munitions? Rk62 and ak both use 7.62 cartridge. The russians basically switched back to AKM( which uses 7.62) from ak74 (5.50) in chechenya since the 5.50 shots caused little damage in the body, compared to 7.62's stopping power.


http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesit ... 042_en.dsp

I mean realistically, the AK is a very good assault rifle, and therefore the "best" AK is a very very good assault rifle. But there are just too many problems with the AK for me to consider it the best assault rifle ever made. Especially in comparison to many of the new AR systems like the HK416 and OICW, and I can't even speak for the many bullpup systems which stormed the market, I haven't done any research on them aside from using the AUG in CS.

The new versions of the m16 serie are more focused on police/special forces use, and OICW, while looking promising, is a cancelled project.

But on the bullpups you are right. The p90 is imo the best example of the advantages of this design

Hey, I didn't say the AK round is worse than the 5.56 nato. One of the biggest advantages of the AK system is the immense stopping power and high armor piercing. The AK with a 5.56 round makes the gun a worse gun than the M16. It's only advantage then is the sturdiness of the gun, it can't match the RoF, Accuracy, Balance, ambidexterity, or easy modularity of the M1x systems.

The thing is, I really don't believe the 40 year old weapons systems are the best AR models we have to date. Most modern weapons systems improve many different aspects of those systems. They are just commonly used because they have been getting churned out for 40 years now, there is so many of them they need to be used.

[Sleksa]

It's still an AK variant, and fundamentally, even if it's still more accurate, doesn't address the plethora of other problems with the AK design. outdated/slow munitions, awkward rechambering and unidexterous design, very high recoil, poor balance/ergonomics, and very long profile(which makes it suck for CQC).

Outdated munitions? Rk62 and ak both use 7.62 cartridge. The russians basically switched back to AKM( which uses 7.62) from ak74 (5.50) in chechenya since the 5.50 shots caused little damage in the body, compared to 7.62's stopping power.


http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesit ... 042_en.dsp

I mean realistically, the AK is a very good assault rifle, and therefore the "best" AK is a very very good assault rifle. But there are just too many problems with the AK for me to consider it the best assault rifle ever made. Especially in comparison to many of the new AR systems like the HK416 and OICW, and I can't even speak for the many bullpup systems which stormed the market, I haven't done any research on them aside from using the AUG in CS.

The new versions of the m16 serie are more focused on police/special forces use, and OICW, while looking promising, is a cancelled project.

But on the bullpups you are right. The p90 is imo the best example of the advantages of this design

Hey, I didn't say the AK round is worse than the 5.56 nato. One of the biggest advantages of the AK system is the immense stopping power and high armor piercing. The AK with a 5.56 round makes the gun a worse gun than the M16. It's only advantage then is the sturdiness of the gun, it can't match the RoF, Accuracy, Balance, ambidexterity, or easy modularity of the M1x systems.

The thing is, I really don't believe the 40 year old weapons systems are the best AR models we have to date. Most modern weapons systems improve many different aspects of those systems. They are just commonly used because they have been getting churned out for 40 years now, there is so many of them they need to be used.

The ar 62 has been updated during those 40 years ~~

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RK_95_TP

Also the age of the weapon systems doesnt really matter unless there is progress in the field. the AR/AK wont become obsolete just because some people have made up rifles with computers and coffee makers and ai guided grenade launchers D:

a good example of old but genious work is the russian hind. having first flown in 1972, NATO still doesnt have a direct equvalient to it, and hind is really a flying tank with a company's worth firepower strapped into it.

Its old, commonly used, has been churned out for quite a long time, but those things dont mean it has become a obsolete helicopter in comparison to eu/us made "hi tech" helicopters.

[Fanger]

The AK is a superior weapon not because in the hands of a skilled trained soldier it is the most accurate deadly piece of equipment ever made. NO the AK is a superior weapon because it does not require any skill to use one. It requires virtually no upkeep, can be made cheaply and in large numbers, and pretty much anyone can pick one up and use it. This means that while you spend time training people, someone can mass spam AKs. There is a reason there are a bajillion AKs and varients on this design. It is a good weapon, and BEST does not always mean most awesomest highest tech..

[Peet]

mass spam AKs

Hehehe.

[rattle]

I just remembered a semi-sekrit weapon from JA2:

[Panda]

Paintball gun.

[SwiftSpear]

The AK is a superior weapon not because in the hands of a skilled trained soldier it is the most accurate deadly piece of equipment ever made. NO the AK is a superior weapon because it does not require any skill to use one. It requires virtually no upkeep, can be made cheaply and in large numbers, and pretty much anyone can pick one up and use it. This means that while you spend time training people, someone can mass spam AKs. There is a reason there are a bajillion AKs and varients on this design. It is a good weapon, and BEST does not always mean most awesomest highest tech..

That's the reason that most of the Mx variants have obscenely large sight rails and ambidextrous construction. But realistically... You can't argue than an AK is that much easier to use than the HK416. Cheaper to manufacture, sure, but in function and maintenance the guns are virtually identical.

Also, realistically, the trained gunman decimates the untrained gunman 95% of the time. There is just too much to good firearms use and military tactics that you can expect that putting a gun in some ock's hands makes him a well oiled killing machine no matter what gun he has. The actual differences between most of these firearms is pretty inconsequential. One way or another, with a functional gun, the shooter makes the battle, not the weapon.

[Nemo]

Introduced in 1921, used throughout the US army in pretty much every role since then. Browning was a smart, smart guy.

[Snipawolf]

Browning .30cal, a beautiful weapon :D

I still like the Avenger more, though

[SwiftSpear]

Best gun in fallout tactics

[pharoph]

this forum rules.

[SwiftSpear]

F**K YA!

[pharoph]

in soviet russia, GUNS CONTROL YOU!

[rattle]

Browning .30cal, a beautiful weapon :D

I still like the Avenger more, though

Best gun in fallout tactics

Browning M2 .50 cal with DU rounds.

The best as in most damaging gun in FOT was the Gauss Minigun btw.

[erasmus]

Paintball gun.

macdev makes the best highend markers

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