S:44 Dump

[smoth]

Historicaly accurate flag
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[Guessmyname]

SEIG ZEON I assume?

[SpikedHelmet]

The instances of persecution against anti-fascist activists was overturned by the supreme court.

smoth, what was the point of that?

[smoth]

The original flag is cool and it was the basis for the delaz fleet flag in gundam, it feels weird any other way.

[rattle]

I know that it's illegal here but that wasn't the point. It's not like that the swatiska will turn your average fashist into some anti-semetic holy war state of mind.

This is like this no 'sexual content for minors but guns and gore are alright' thing in the US. Speaking of the US, I associate the US flag with half a dozen of entirely pointless wars. Pretty offensive for hiroshima/vietnam victims for example.

It's your call in the end.

[FLOZi]

And we've already made it.

[Neddie]

The potential player-base is nearly 60% european by my estimate. Driving off even a sixth of it due to legal fears or revulsion isn't worth it.

[smoth]

The potential player-base is nearly 60% european by my estimate. Driving off even a sixth of it due to legal fears or revulsion isn't worth it.

s'44 has been entirely accurate and they have made many many GOOD reproductions. Something as iconic as the swastika not being there completely killed it for me.

Hang on while I make all the tanks pink.

[Neddie]

Well, then you're easily dissuaded from activity. As much as I would like you to play S44, we aren't tailoring the game to your personal desires.

[smoth]

Well, then you're easily dissuaded from activity. As much as I would like you to play S44, we aren't tailoring the game to your personal desires.

You are not tailoring anything as it isn't your project. What the fuck dude. Your response in this area is as meaningful as emanuel answering questions about gundam and saying he has any sway.

Fact of the matter is that several discussions were steered away with the argument that they were going for accuracy. IE, the low amount of team color.

WWII Germans without a swastika is not WWII Germans. That is a key iconic symbol for their faction. The equivalent exchange would be like making Zeon but using the char azanable logo instead.

IT is integral to the aesthetic style and feel. If I cannot shoot nazis in a WWII game then I am not playing one. PERIOD. I am playing LOL War of the 1944 tech.

[Neddie]

I'm part of the team, and I contribute, so you're off on the first statement. Not an original member, but I work on it when I can.

Well, maybe somebody can implement some Lua to plaster every model with unsynced Swastikas. I frankly don't give a damn.

[smoth]

oh really? So you can model and stuff! So, care to post some stuff?

[FLOZi]

It's plenty possible to be part of the team without modelling.

I wouldn't think most would doubt I am part of the team and lately i do sod all.

[smoth]

lol

[Felix the Cat]

Well, then you're easily dissuaded from activity. As much as I would like you to play S44, we aren't tailoring the game to your personal desires.

You are not tailoring anything as it isn't your project. What the fuck dude. Your response in this area is as meaningful as emanuel answering questions about gundam and saying he has any sway.

Fact of the matter is that several discussions were steered away with the argument that they were going for accuracy. IE, the low amount of team color.

WWII Germans without a swastika is not WWII Germans. That is a key iconic symbol for their faction. The equivalent exchange would be like making Zeon but using the char azanable logo instead.

IT is integral to the aesthetic style and feel. If I cannot shoot nazis in a WWII game then I am not playing one. PERIOD. I am playing LOL War of the 1944 tech.

If the defining aspect of a strategy game for you is the faction icons, then S44 is not for you.

I know you care about more than faction icons, since last time I checked, Gundam contains more than just a set of accurate icons and flags - it contains little things like gameplay and graphics.

[SpikedHelmet]

You are not tailoring anything as it isn't your project.

Yes, it is. Neddie is as much a part of S44 as Flozi, Yuri, myself, etc, and even if he didn't have the [S44] tag in the lobby he'd still be a much more legitimate voice on behalf of this mod than you.

Fact of the matter is that several discussions were steered away with the argument that they were going for accuracy. IE, the low amount of team color.

If you can show me a single person who's been violently abused in any way, shape, or form by the lack of teamcolour, then I will personally draw the most extravagant, lavished swastikas over everything in the game.

IT is integral to the aesthetic style and feel. If I cannot shoot nazis in a WWII game then I am not playing one.

Nazis come in all shapes and sizes.

Anyway, smoth, two things. First, like Felix said, if the lack of one particular simplistic symbol is enough to eradicate all of your imaginative ability, then you have my condolences -- I can only imagine you must have had a hard childhood with such a diminutive mind. Secondly, I don't particularly appreciate your fucking overzealous attitude towards having your beloved fucking swastika emblazened upon everything German in the game. It's raised serious questions in my mind about what kind of person you are, and frankly, if my new-found suspicions about you are correct, then I don't want you near this fucking game. This game is not for bed-wetting blonde kids to use as mental masturbation for their sick racial fantasies and under no circumstances will I allow it to be used in that form. I've already had to deal with enough fucking idiot fascist-wannabe kids and quite frankly I'm going to start simply telling each and every one of them to fuck off, including you, if that's the case.

Now you can either deal with not having your fucking swastikas and live peacefully in the knowledge that people (LIKE ME) will be able to play this game without being offended on a depth you can probably never begin to imagine, or you can not play the fucking game. Simple as that.

PS: Please remove the giant fucking swastika from your earlier post and provide it in link form. I do not appreciate it at all.

[SecurE]

While I do understand your reasoning for not including the swatiska, I don't understand why you use a made-up version of a Kriegsmarine flag when you could use the Wehrmacht symbol alone, which as far as I know includes all branches (navy, air and land forces). The Wehrmacht symbol isn't considered to be offensive at all, either (you include it yourself, after all).
Well, okay, I understand it from an aesthetic sense, but it does seem a bit odd. Not that I think that many will notice/care in the end.

[KDR_11k]

Swastika = Nazis
Iron Cross = Wehrmacht

I'd imagine you wouldn't find many party functionaries on the battlefield.

[smoth]

Fact of the matter is that it looks extremely odd to me. I have always liked the flag and frankly just see the swastika as a symbol from that war. I am pretty well removed from all of that stuff past, yeah it sucked. Fact of the matter is that I see mao as a more horrible person then hitler and see what he was responsible for as an even greater atrocity. Whether or not your reply is filled with vitrol doesn't bother me so much as your violent change of disposition on the turn of a dime ESP after already saying that you were considering adding it back to the flag.

That being said, if you ever added morale and fear to the troops, I know there was discussion of this in the past. SS units would make an interesting morale destroyer. The pictures I have seen of those guys look fucking scary.

Either way, feel free to call me racist etc over one post. I was just saying that it struck me as odd. Over the years you have never shown any care for the politically correct or for what people think. It struck me as profoundly odd that you would go far enough to invent a flag rather then keep the historical one because of political concerns. If you invent a flag, why modify the historical one? a black flag with a white circle and that cross would have been a lot more classy.

Hell, you could have used this:



The other flag is still nazi. If you are going to avoid the nazi reference, do so fully.

[SpikedHelmet]

Well, like I kind of said earlier, I played around with several variations, including the standard flag of Germany (red field, white circle, black cross) and it didn't turn out very pleasing to the eye. The Kriegsmarine ensign is, atleast, an interesting design.

The other flag is still nazi. If you are going to avoid the nazi reference, do so fully.

If I wanted to do that, I wouldn't include Germany at all, and just have the US, British and Soviets fighting themselves. It's simply that one, single symbol.