wow.

[Gota]

you ftalking about Uni lectures?or were you speaking in general?cause i thought you were 14...wunderkind..

[Boirunner]

I was concerned about having an insane person in our community, but then I remembered he was just DZIBRISH.

I was about to post the exact same thing.

[manored]

What Gota is saying makes perfect sense actual.

Except for the individual thing: I think that since I am the only thing that I can be sure that exists (because I wouldnt be able to think into this if I didnt existed), I can consider myself the center of the universe :)

[smokingwreckage]

"Pensacola's policy is that the King James is the only divinely inspired English translation."

This is invariably a sign of lunacy in one degree or another.

[SpikedHelmet]

Science is not some absolute truth

Yes it is.

[theHive]

Science is not some absolute truth

Yes it is.

I sure hope you're not being serious.

[manored]

There is no such thing as absolute truth, except that I exist since I think.

[Neddie]

There is no such thing as absolute truth, except that I exist since I think.

That isn't absolute either, it is founded on the suppositions of a single man who generated a start point so he could move along.

[manored]

Its truth for ever person from viewpoint of that person, but not for the others... like: I have conscience so I know I exist, but I cant tell if other people have conscience too or if they are just lots of chemical reactions going on...

Sort of: I must exist in some level because a ilusion cannot exist if there is nothing to be eluded :)

[KDR_11k]

Science is not some absolute truth

Yes it is.

Nope, it's based on things that are useful. Absolute truth would require even removing unreasonable doubt (like "God made it!"), Science only deals with reasonable doubt.

[Gota]

Its very important to first define what "to exist" means..
than you go on...If you define things correctly you cant be disputed logicly and you can safely move on..

[manored]

What is correct tough? :) Maybe what cannot be proven wrong? but is there really anything that has no chance of being proven wrong? :)

Maybe we can say that "to exist" is to be in some way diferent from something else, like, being made of something else, be somewhere else, etc.The nothingness and space are included here too: nothing is diferent from something and space means that there is more than one thing or places for there to be something.

Discussions about the essence are so abstract :)

[TheBigPK]

hm I agree with gota for the most part too. I'm in two philosophy classes this semester at uni and thats pretty much what I gather from them. There are no absolute truths and probably not much underlying unity to the rapidly changing mess of a world we live in but you have to presuppose that there IS some unity, like that everything actually is matter at it's core or everything is part of err whatever hindu's believe etc, in order to make sense of anything at all. It worries philosophers because the presuppositions we make create what should be a horrible foundation for knowledge. Imo, it all works as we currently believe things should and the presuppositions are more or less irrelevant. Definitely a pragmatist here .

[manored]

It all works as we currently believe in life, but not after it :) (assuming that there is something afterlife, what I hope since not existing doesnt sounds fun... at least, I didnt found the incontable eras before I was born fun :) )

[Gota]

The doctor in Hellraiser II thought death is the 4th dimension..he didnt end up so good(had his head ripped out).

[erasmus]

would you prefer living in a world without science as it is now?

[manored]

would you prefer living in a world without science as it is now?

No, but living in a world where people admit that they might be wrong and open space to new ideas would be good :)

[SwiftSpear]

would you prefer living in a world without science as it is now?

No, but living in a world where people admit that they might be wrong and open space to new ideas would be good :)

Science requires the possibility of wrongfulness from all statements. That's the whole point... it's about making no assumptions ultimately... well at least to the point that I make no assumptions that aren't simply a tool for tracing down fact.

[Forboding Angel]

The new testament is very different. I like Jesus.

If you actually read the bible...

It is very easy to understand. Before Christ died for the world's sins god was quite strict, especially with the jews. At sianai(spelling?) he cause the ones worshipping a golden calf to be swollowed up by the earth.

The reason that god enacted the plagues of egypt, was because pharoah refused to let my people (the jews, god's people) go. Therefore, god twisted pharoah's arm a bit. Then, after pharoah lets them go, he decided that it was a bad idea, so his army rolls out in an attempt to bring them back... Enter red sea.

If you pay attention throughout the old testament, god gets less and less vengeful. Up until christ's death, then notice that even though occasionally miracles still happen (throughout the new testament), they start becoming few and far between as time passes.

Remember that many very important differences took place upon christ's death. Sacrifices to god were no longer accepted by god (because christ died to atone for the world's sin, at thsi point all that is needed is that the person in question ask god for forgivness), and there are a lot of other examples if you pay close enough attention.

BTW on the subject of consciences, it is theorized that our state of awareness (mind) and our conscience is the embodiment of our souls.

Meh sorry. I find the study of theology and/or mythology somewhat facinating.

[Das Bruce]

Genesis 1:

1 Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem.

2 Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz.

3 At start, no has lyte. An Ceiling Cat sayz, i can haz lite? An lite wuz.4 An Ceiling Cat sawed teh lite, to seez stuffs, An splitted teh lite from dark but taht wuz ok cuz kittehs can see in teh dark An not tripz over nethin.5 An Ceiling Cat sayed light Day An dark no Day. It were FURST!!!1

6 An Ceiling Cat sayed, im in ur waterz makin a ceiling. But he no yet make a ur. An he maded a hole in teh Ceiling.7 An Ceiling Cat doed teh skiez with waterz down An waterz up. It happen.8 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has teh firmmint wich iz funny bibel naim 4 ceiling, so wuz teh twoth day.

9 An Ceiling Cat gotted all teh waterz in ur base, An Ceiling Cat hadz dry placez cuz kittehs DO NOT WANT get wet.10 An Ceiling Cat called no waterz urth and waters oshun. Iz good.

11 An Ceiling Cat sayed, DO WANT grass! so tehr wuz seedz An stufs, An fruitzors An vegbatels. An a Corm. It happen.12 An Ceiling Cat sawed that weedz ish good, so, letz there be weedz.13 An so teh threeth day jazzhands.

14 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has lightz in the skiez for splittin day An no day.15 It happen, lights everwear, like christmass, srsly.16 An Ceiling Cat doeth two grate lightz, teh most big for day, teh other for no day.17 An Ceiling Cat screw tehm on skiez, with big nails An stuff, to lite teh Urfs.18 An tehy rulez day An night. Ceiling Cat sawed. Iz good.19 An so teh furth day w00t.

20 An Ceiling Cat sayed, waterz bring me phishes, An burds, so kittehs can eat dem. But Ceiling Cat no eated dem.21 An Ceiling Cat maed big fishies An see monstrs, which wuz like big cows, except they no mood, An other stuffs dat mooves, An Ceiling Cat sawed iz good.22 An Ceiling Cat sed O hai, make bebehs kthx. An dont worry i wont watch u secksy, i not that kynd uf kitteh.23 An so teh...fith day. Ceiling Cat taek a wile 2 cawnt.

24 An Ceiling Cat sayed, i can has MOAR living stuff, mooes, An creepie tings, An otehr aminals. It happen so tehre.25 An Ceiling Cat doed moar living stuff, mooes, An creepies, An otehr animuls, An did not eated tehm.

26 An Ceiling Cat sayed, letz us do peeps like uz, becuz we ish teh qte, An let min p0wnz0r becuz tehy has can openers.

27 So Ceiling Cat createded teh peeps taht waz like him, can has can openers he maed tehm, min An womin wuz maeded, but he did not eated tehm.

28 An Ceiling Cat sed them O hai maek bebehs kthx, An p0wn teh waterz, no waterz An teh firmmint, An evry stufs.

29 An Ceiling Cat sayed, Beholdt, the Urfs, I has it, An I has not eated it.30 For evry createded stufs tehre are the fuudz, to the burdies, teh creepiez, An teh mooes, so tehre. It happen. Iz good.

31 An Ceiling Cat sayed, Beholdt, teh good enouf for releaze as version 0.8a. kthxbai.