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Jesus hates gays and he hates you too. ^^ Well, maybe he likes you, I don't really speak for him. I do know the bible says that people who are wishy-washy, believing only the parts they think will suit them, are "worse than those without faith." As for his feelings on homosexuality, there's a book where that's recorded IIRC. Since the bible saying this doesn't mean much to you, why don't you go find some other book that suits you better.First off Caydr, it would be cool to hear you say, "Jesus loves gays".
Why am I discussing religion in a game forum? Gamers don't know squat about religion - by and large, let's say. It seems retarded to have discussions on religion and discussions on gaming in the same forum...
My summed view on homosexuality: More than two testicles within a 1-foot span of each other is gross. I don't go out of my way to tell everyone I feel this way because I don't want to be viewed as intolerant. But the fact is, "intolerant" means I'm unwilling to tolerate something, which is untrue. I have no problem with homosexuals, just the things they do. I find buttsecks in any context to be really, really gross.
In response to the bit about how gay-hate is the same as bias against women (women rock), and how since women were looked down on 2000 years ago just like homosexuals, and how this was proof that it's just something we've got to grow out of, and how the bible is therefore out of date.... Jesus showed no particular bias against women IIRC. There are examples of things like polygamy - but this was a practice which God tolerated, not something that was ever approved.
God's view on marriage is recorded - one man, one woman. If you want to use religion as a reason why I should be cool with homosexual activity, you fail.
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Gamers are some of the most intellegent and philisophic people i know. Just casue we like to play game's dosent mean we are compleatly devoid of any other interests!Why am I discussing religion in a game forum? Gamers don't know squat about religion - by and large, let's say. It seems almost retarded to have discussions on religion and discussions on gaming in the same forum...
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Right well you must of missed the stoning people to death, burning heretics, killing adulterers and driving the infidels out of our lands that they inconsiderately already where on.And noone ever told me why living by the standards in the bible is unrealistic or impossible. Perhaps you just don't like the idea of not sleeping around?
You do realise how dumb that make's you sound?like ass-grabbers
Ever been in a packed swimming pool?My summed view on homosexuality: There should be no more than two testicles within a 1-foot span of each other.
Also the Bible could not be written by any one person unless the person was insane (which some would say God is).
The bible is contradictory, written in different styles and has multiple reference's that happened years after the first! The Bible is a collection of story's gathered together over two thousand years! It has much that is incorrect, wrong and hurtful. It has even more that is kind, caring and forgiving. I├óÔé¼Ôäóm with munch in saying God love's people. If he exists with may or may not be correct.
And i may or may not be really mad at you Cyder, and you may or may not be a bigot with his head so far up his ass I├óÔé¼Ôäóm surprised you cant see your own tongue!
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And women? We werent talking in bible terms, not everyone ahs the same religiona dn we're not going to turn this into a religious debate.
Who said you had to get married to have a relationship,
"all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight" was probably written by a homophobic godfearing man who wanted to be politically correct. Imagien fi the bible went against common convention? It would have been seen as heretical, a work of evil. Remember the bible cotnradictcs itself soo many times. And the bible shoudlnt be taken as truth either. Half the odlt estament of the story of the jews has been ivnestigated and no proof found. Such as taking back canaan, or passover (Egyptians kept records, such an event would have led to an economic disaster that never happened(2/3's of your slaves buggering off?) then bugering off across the desert for 40 years, even though the desert was litered with egyptian military outposts to defends against invasion and maintain cotnrol, then return to canaan, which believe it or not was an egyptian province at the time!).
Oh yeah and the whole many ludicrous thigns the bible has said that science prooved wrong.
Caydr, munch is more of a christian than you are. You are predjudiced to a great extent, stubborn, insulting. Munch has been calming, considerate, and helpful. I believe that god would rather we where like munch than hate people based on their likes dislikes and feelings and who they liked.
Afterrall the new testamanet says that the only rule you need know and follow to stay in gods good books is, "love one another as I have loved you". I dont see anywhere anythign about saying follow the bible to the letter, preach hatred and predjudiced, be it racist sexist or homophobic.
Do you think its fair to put forward a view that you hate these people, and then attempt to support it?! To proove it right. How can ti eb right to hate? Why should you be able to proove that a predjudice is morally right? Isnt that a contradiction?
Well fien you have an opinion and your sticking to it, but dont start quoting religious texts and attempting to support your predjudice as fact.
First, I take fofense from the term ass grabber. There are plenty of gay people who dotn 'grab' asses. Once again you portray gay people as raping bastards who rove the streets at night fucking anyone of the same sex in sight. Now thats pathetic.In response to the bit about how fag-hatred is the same as bias against women (women rock), and how since women were looked down on 2000 years ago just like ass-grabbers, and how this was proof that it's just something we've got to grow out of, and how the bible is therefore just out of date.... Jesus showed no bias against women, and neither did any other spiritually strong individuals whom the bible recounts as being good men. There are examples of things like polygamy - but this was a practice of the nations which God tolerated, but did not endorse.
And women? We werent talking in bible terms, not everyone ahs the same religiona dn we're not going to turn this into a religious debate.
God's view on marriage is accurately recorded - one man, one woman, becoming one flesh. It doesn't say "a couple of guys gettin it on". Since "all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight", that would lead me to believe that this wasn't just thrown in there for the hell of it because God wanted to call it a night.
Who said you had to get married to have a relationship,
"all scripture is inspired of god and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight" was probably written by a homophobic godfearing man who wanted to be politically correct. Imagien fi the bible went against common convention? It would have been seen as heretical, a work of evil. Remember the bible cotnradictcs itself soo many times. And the bible shoudlnt be taken as truth either. Half the odlt estament of the story of the jews has been ivnestigated and no proof found. Such as taking back canaan, or passover (Egyptians kept records, such an event would have led to an economic disaster that never happened(2/3's of your slaves buggering off?) then bugering off across the desert for 40 years, even though the desert was litered with egyptian military outposts to defends against invasion and maintain cotnrol, then return to canaan, which believe it or not was an egyptian province at the time!).
The bible says no sex at all, the bible says no going the toilet too, and no eposure of genitalia be it private or not, so if you've got a medical problem no doctors, be ti STD or power tool that slipped and got stuck. And if you do have sex, no contraception, oh wait didnt it say no sex, but here its telling us no contraception....And noone ever told me why living by the standards in the bible is unrealistic or impossible. Perhaps you just don't like the idea of not sleeping around?
Oh yeah and the whole many ludicrous thigns the bible has said that science prooved wrong.
Caydr, munch is more of a christian than you are. You are predjudiced to a great extent, stubborn, insulting. Munch has been calming, considerate, and helpful. I believe that god would rather we where like munch than hate people based on their likes dislikes and feelings and who they liked.
Afterrall the new testamanet says that the only rule you need know and follow to stay in gods good books is, "love one another as I have loved you". I dont see anywhere anythign about saying follow the bible to the letter, preach hatred and predjudiced, be it racist sexist or homophobic.
Do you think its fair to put forward a view that you hate these people, and then attempt to support it?! To proove it right. How can ti eb right to hate? Why should you be able to proove that a predjudice is morally right? Isnt that a contradiction?
Well fien you have an opinion and your sticking to it, but dont start quoting religious texts and attempting to support your predjudice as fact.
Well there are some exceptions to the norm. Maby i met them! Also i just really dont like him.[K.B.] Napalm Cobra wrote:Heh, most "gamers" are retards.Zoombie wrote: Gamers are some of the most intellegent and philisophic people i know. Just casue we like to play game's dosent mean we are compleatly devoid of any other interests!
And why do you keep calling cyder? Are you trying to edge him on or something?
So let's take a look at what the bible says then =)
Love
Munch
So what I'm interested in is, which character(s) do you most identify with - the ones pointing out the what the letter of the law says and bringing the accusation, the woman accused, or with Jesus? Which one are you most like do you think? Which one would you most like to be like?In chapter 8, verses 2 to 12 of his gospel John wrote: 2Now very early in the morning, he came again into the temple, and all the people came to him. He sat down, and taught them. 3The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman taken in adultery. Having set her in the midst, 4they told him, ├óÔé¼┼ôTeacher, we found this woman in adultery, in the very act. 5Now in our law, Moses commanded us to stone such. What then do you say about her?├óÔé¼┬Ø 6They said this testing him, that they might have something to accuse him of.
But Jesus stooped down, and wrote on the ground with his finger. 7But when they continued asking him, he looked up and said to them, ├óÔé¼┼ôHe who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her.├óÔé¼┬Ø 8Again he stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground.
9They, when they heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning from the oldest, even to the last. Jesus was left alone with the woman where she was, in the middle. 10Jesus, standing up, saw her and said, ├óÔé¼┼ôWoman, where are your accusers? Did no one condemn you?├óÔé¼┬Ø
11She said, ├óÔé¼┼ôNo one, Lord.├óÔé¼┬Ø
Jesus said, ├óÔé¼┼ôNeither do I condemn you. Go your way. From now on, sin no more.├óÔé¼┬Ø
12Again, therefore, Jesus spoke to them, saying, ├óÔé¼┼ôI am the light of the world. He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life.├óÔé¼┬Ø
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Munch
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niem├â┬Âller
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niem├â┬Âller
Caydr dont presume you know everything. If you read everything on this forum you'd know I found Google toolbar for FireFox has a spellchecker.
And STD's? As far as I am aware the statistics show that more straight people have STD's than gay people.
This is an international forum and your expressing grossly prejudiced views based on stereotypes and facts which where never true, preaching that gay people are something they are not. And at the same time attacking anyone who attempts to show you the immense immorality and wrongness you are in, or even at least to stop you going on about it.
Wrestling? I'm thinking that it'd be OK, after all they wouldn't go as far as crushing the other persons skull into a mishmash of bone and flesh, they're doing it as a sport not a mans fo being nasty ro spiteful, and I'm sure they hug and have a beer and laugh about it afterwards and they're all friends....
The point is to love everyone, to be nice, and never be nasty, to think of others and not yourself, and to forgive everyone for whatever sins they commit. That message is repeated over and over again across the new testament. Shall I take this thread to a few priests? See what they say about your views? maybe I'll go to a few different churches, maybe a catholic? protestant? later day saints? A mosque maybe? I'm sure that they would find your words insulting and and disrespectful and would say that you should be more of a christian and be forgiving.
At the very least the civilised way would say so what they do that and I'm not gonna bother myself with them or obsess over it and talk about it as if everybody has to be told thousands of times and I'm nto going to challenge the view incase its not actually true.
Did you ever try to find out if any of what you say is true? If you where right you should be able to challenge it and do it other and other again and still be right. But you havent have you.
Proove that you are right. Post statistics, proof that gay people ass rape whenever soemone of the same sex comes in range, proove all these things that you say, dont just make us take your word for it either, what you're saying is the sort of thing I expect the really thick scallys who go around saying "I'm harder than you" to say.
And for spelling? Dont be a hypocrit about changing topics then try to do it again. We've discussed spelling on these forums soo many times, and you're only doing that to try and paint a worse picture of me. Dont try to play dirty by attacking points about me like that, shall we start nitpicking your posts for errors?
At least i try to in the least respect you still for what work you've done outside of this rant, for your determination to argue on even though your arguement isnt even standing on firm ground, and is based on insults and things you heard from other people who dont know what they're talking about. But to call my posts here a waste of space is more than disrespectful. You have no respect at all for the points being made against you, I can guess that you dont even read them maybe skim for things to fight back at.
Has one of them grabbed your ass caydr? Tried to stick it up there? On multiple occasions? Have you ever even met a gay person or do you just avert your eyes and run away instead of find out. Your starting to sound like a Nazi ethnic cleansing supporter talking about Jews the way you go on about gay people.
As for spelling, google toolbar doesnt like huge posts so there might be the odd oen near the end.
What proof of this do you have. Gay people dont stick it in any arse they see as long as its there. That's rape, immoral, and anyone who does that gay or straight should be locked up with the key thrown away.Just be careful not to drop the soap. It would probably be best to pass out protection beforehand, since gays collect STDs like J-Lo collects gossip.
And STD's? As far as I am aware the statistics show that more straight people have STD's than gay people.
You're insulted because you've got gay friends and they're perfectly OK? Alright, so, why are you telling me this?
This is an international forum and your expressing grossly prejudiced views based on stereotypes and facts which where never true, preaching that gay people are something they are not. And at the same time attacking anyone who attempts to show you the immense immorality and wrongness you are in, or even at least to stop you going on about it.
Wrestling? I'm thinking that it'd be OK, after all they wouldn't go as far as crushing the other persons skull into a mishmash of bone and flesh, they're doing it as a sport not a mans fo being nasty ro spiteful, and I'm sure they hug and have a beer and laugh about it afterwards and they're all friends....
The point is to love everyone, to be nice, and never be nasty, to think of others and not yourself, and to forgive everyone for whatever sins they commit. That message is repeated over and over again across the new testament. Shall I take this thread to a few priests? See what they say about your views? maybe I'll go to a few different churches, maybe a catholic? protestant? later day saints? A mosque maybe? I'm sure that they would find your words insulting and and disrespectful and would say that you should be more of a christian and be forgiving.
At the very least the civilised way would say so what they do that and I'm not gonna bother myself with them or obsess over it and talk about it as if everybody has to be told thousands of times and I'm nto going to challenge the view incase its not actually true.
Did you ever try to find out if any of what you say is true? If you where right you should be able to challenge it and do it other and other again and still be right. But you havent have you.
hypocrites? For one it wasnt a prostitute but an aldulterer. How are we hypocrites?Munch, in your illustration, I suppose I'd be the prostitute. I've got a bunch of hypocrites pointing at me.
Proove that you are right. Post statistics, proof that gay people ass rape whenever soemone of the same sex comes in range, proove all these things that you say, dont just make us take your word for it either, what you're saying is the sort of thing I expect the really thick scallys who go around saying "I'm harder than you" to say.
And for spelling? Dont be a hypocrit about changing topics then try to do it again. We've discussed spelling on these forums soo many times, and you're only doing that to try and paint a worse picture of me. Dont try to play dirty by attacking points about me like that, shall we start nitpicking your posts for errors?
I didnt whine about spelling till now, I didnt say it was hard I said it was time consuming and I said that ages and ages ago. And why does making sure my spelling is perfect make me a man? Does that mean google toolbar and MS Word are men? If I used them together would you call them ass grabbers? Dont be silly, Your not a man at all, your a boy, you cling to stereotypes and preach them on international forums and see nothing wrong with your view, you wont even challenge it, you defend it, and you have no basis upon which to place any of your claims, you just take it for granted. At least if I'm wrong I'll post a statement saying so like I did before, though they may be littered with awkward words and sentences. At least I dont bring up religion to try to proove something then argue that the other side are hypocrits for retaliating with religion trying to proove false your claim.Don't whine about how it's hard, just do it, be a man.
At least i try to in the least respect you still for what work you've done outside of this rant, for your determination to argue on even though your arguement isnt even standing on firm ground, and is based on insults and things you heard from other people who dont know what they're talking about. But to call my posts here a waste of space is more than disrespectful. You have no respect at all for the points being made against you, I can guess that you dont even read them maybe skim for things to fight back at.
Has one of them grabbed your ass caydr? Tried to stick it up there? On multiple occasions? Have you ever even met a gay person or do you just avert your eyes and run away instead of find out. Your starting to sound like a Nazi ethnic cleansing supporter talking about Jews the way you go on about gay people.
hhmmm, I thought christianity was growing fast due to africans taking up the religion, yeah it might have declined in western richer countries, but there isnt much they can do about that, and there's still a strong base in those countries that wont dissapear."hey, jesus loves us all, yo! since membership is down 95% we better start lowering our standards!"
As for spelling, google toolbar doesnt like huge posts so there might be the odd oen near the end.
I'm actually laughing at how sterotiypical and stuipid that was Cyder. Cause you see we have these thing's called "Tact" and "Freindship" and what you describe is a voilation of both... and a long list of other things. Sex is privet and you seem to think that homosexual's do it all the time. The way you go on its like you see new's story's saying "Christan family suddenly befouled by heratical gay precence! Public Sex burn's out childrens eye's! More at 11:00"You're insulted because you've got gay friends and they're perfectly OK? Alright, so, why are you telling me this? Why don't you just invite them over, have a few beers, laugh about the fag-hater you met online, watch some TV, have a good time. Just be careful not to drop the soap. It would probably be best to pass out protection beforehand, since gays collect STDs like J-Lo collects gossip.
It's not like homosexual's have sex on your coffy table while you whatch Evil Dead II. Instead.... they whatch Evil Dead II!
PS: Here is a quote from Day of the Dead:
"Your hypocrasy is only matched by your ignorace"
I'm disrespectful of gays, what of it? Their activity grosses me out and besides which, I'm disrespectful of lots of people for lots of reasons, or often no reason at all (see: Smoth)
Go ahead, take this to one of your priests. You'll get one of two responses. 1, if it's just one of the sell-out churches that will take anyone able to crawl through the door and put some $$$ in the box, they'll say: "Ugh, what a disgusting example of intolerance. For ummm... a small fee... I'll talk to the big guy upstairs about UNforgiving all his sins!!!"
Then, if you go to one of the churches that is actually worth anything (might be hard to find) they'll say that I'm fundamentally correct, but I shouldn't be so "coarse" about it as it's quite offensive.
Alright, so I should really be less offensive if I'm trying to win any friends or even win an argument, but I not really taking this all very seriously. It's virtually impossible to change someone's mind about something through text on some anonymous internet board. Besides which, since it's not possible to "un-gay" someone, it's not like I'm going to have any impact anyway.
Weaver, are you calling me a nazi? Lets see. 1) I don't hate jews. 2) I have no aspirations of taking over the world. 3) I don't think gays or any other group should be killed or euthanized, although if they could be un-gay'd somehow I'd not be against it. 4) I don't have any bias against any race, gender, or religion, and I don't have any feelings that one person is better than another for any reason. The only group I dislike are homosexuals, and even then only because of their activities, which I find really gross. 5) Finally, I'm not saying that everyone who disagrees with me is wrong. I've merely stated my views, whereas "everyone else" has done nothing but say that I'm wrong. At some point religion came into it and I said the obvious thing, that the bible is very much against homosexuality; not that this is relevant to anyone who doesn't believe in the bible to begin with.
Fine, nitpick my post for errors. I believe you'll find that the only one is that I occasionally will put a period on the wrong side of quotation marks. Although I don't agree with your views on homosexuality, fellow board members, I respect your eyes.
In other topics you've whined about how spelling is hard for you. I think dyslexia came into it maybe? I have many friends who are dyslexic. Two of them are so severely dyslexic they only learned to read when they were about 11. They're not dumb people, they just can't look at a sheet of writing without the letters distorting and moving around in their minds. But now they're doing a lot better and can read and write very well. If they can do it, so can you, regardless of whatever handicap you've got, if any.
My entire argument, Alantai, regardless of what I believe or don't believe, is based upon three things.
1) Homosexual activity make me sick to my stomach. Prove THAT wrong, I dare you.
2) Homosexuality is considered "extremely bad" in the bible, the book upon which christianity is supposedly founded, and that anyone claiming to be a christian who says otherwise, is a hypocrite.
3) Homosexuals are men who have sex with other men. Uhh... no-brainer? This is unnatural, whether you're an evolutionist or a creationist. Homosexuality is not something that comes naturally to humans unless they have some kind of chemical/hormonal imbalance.
I came here, I stated my views, I was attacked by a "modern day christian" ie, one with no beliefs and no morals, and went on to repeatedly prove to him that homosexuality is wrong according to the bible. Not that he cares, apparently.
Here, I'll give a little. I feel genuine pity for those people who feel no attraction to women but only for men due to some sort of imbalance within their body. However, homosexual activity simply makes me sick to my stomach.
Go ahead, take this to one of your priests. You'll get one of two responses. 1, if it's just one of the sell-out churches that will take anyone able to crawl through the door and put some $$$ in the box, they'll say: "Ugh, what a disgusting example of intolerance. For ummm... a small fee... I'll talk to the big guy upstairs about UNforgiving all his sins!!!"
Then, if you go to one of the churches that is actually worth anything (might be hard to find) they'll say that I'm fundamentally correct, but I shouldn't be so "coarse" about it as it's quite offensive.
Alright, so I should really be less offensive if I'm trying to win any friends or even win an argument, but I not really taking this all very seriously. It's virtually impossible to change someone's mind about something through text on some anonymous internet board. Besides which, since it's not possible to "un-gay" someone, it's not like I'm going to have any impact anyway.
You can see where I got the misunderstanding that you weren't using a spellchecker. Glad to hear you got one.First, I take fofense from the term ass grabber. There are plenty of gay people who dotn 'grab' asses. Once again you portray gay people as raping bastards who rove the streets at night fucking anyone of the same sex in sight. Now thats pathetic.
And women? We werent talking in bible terms, not everyone ahs the same religiona dn we're not going to turn this into a religious debate.
Weaver, are you calling me a nazi? Lets see. 1) I don't hate jews. 2) I have no aspirations of taking over the world. 3) I don't think gays or any other group should be killed or euthanized, although if they could be un-gay'd somehow I'd not be against it. 4) I don't have any bias against any race, gender, or religion, and I don't have any feelings that one person is better than another for any reason. The only group I dislike are homosexuals, and even then only because of their activities, which I find really gross. 5) Finally, I'm not saying that everyone who disagrees with me is wrong. I've merely stated my views, whereas "everyone else" has done nothing but say that I'm wrong. At some point religion came into it and I said the obvious thing, that the bible is very much against homosexuality; not that this is relevant to anyone who doesn't believe in the bible to begin with.
Fine, nitpick my post for errors. I believe you'll find that the only one is that I occasionally will put a period on the wrong side of quotation marks. Although I don't agree with your views on homosexuality, fellow board members, I respect your eyes.
In other topics you've whined about how spelling is hard for you. I think dyslexia came into it maybe? I have many friends who are dyslexic. Two of them are so severely dyslexic they only learned to read when they were about 11. They're not dumb people, they just can't look at a sheet of writing without the letters distorting and moving around in their minds. But now they're doing a lot better and can read and write very well. If they can do it, so can you, regardless of whatever handicap you've got, if any.
My entire argument, Alantai, regardless of what I believe or don't believe, is based upon three things.
1) Homosexual activity make me sick to my stomach. Prove THAT wrong, I dare you.
2) Homosexuality is considered "extremely bad" in the bible, the book upon which christianity is supposedly founded, and that anyone claiming to be a christian who says otherwise, is a hypocrite.
3) Homosexuals are men who have sex with other men. Uhh... no-brainer? This is unnatural, whether you're an evolutionist or a creationist. Homosexuality is not something that comes naturally to humans unless they have some kind of chemical/hormonal imbalance.
I came here, I stated my views, I was attacked by a "modern day christian" ie, one with no beliefs and no morals, and went on to repeatedly prove to him that homosexuality is wrong according to the bible. Not that he cares, apparently.
Here, I'll give a little. I feel genuine pity for those people who feel no attraction to women but only for men due to some sort of imbalance within their body. However, homosexual activity simply makes me sick to my stomach.
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Zoomb, the numbers were the verse numbers - translations of the bible are split up into books, chapters and verses to make it easy to refer to sections.
Funnily enough, I just read the below with my daughter in her kids bible:
Matthew was not very popular because he collected taxes for the hated Romans. One day Jesus visited Matthew and said to him, "Follow me." Nobody had ever showed such an interest in Matthew before. He left everything to follow Jesus. Matthew was so happy, he held a party for Jesus and invited his friends. When the Pharisees saw Jesus at the party, they were shocked. "Why are you friends with sinners?" they asked. "I have come to help anyone who needs me", said Jesus. "It is easier to help sinners than people who think they are good."
Love
Munch
PS I identify with the prostitue and with Jesus
LOL lucky for me God didn't wait for me to be perfect before he forgave me. Nor you for that matter. Finding someone who would die for a godly person is rare. Maybe someone would have the courage to die for a good person. Christ died for us while we were still sinners. This demonstrates God's love for us. Since Christ's blood has now given us God's approval, we are even more certain that Christ will save us from God's anger.Caydr wrote:Ahh, you misunderstand me Alantai - I'm happy to forgive. Just stop being homosexual, I'll forgive them in a snap.
Funnily enough, I just read the below with my daughter in her kids bible:
Matthew was not very popular because he collected taxes for the hated Romans. One day Jesus visited Matthew and said to him, "Follow me." Nobody had ever showed such an interest in Matthew before. He left everything to follow Jesus. Matthew was so happy, he held a party for Jesus and invited his friends. When the Pharisees saw Jesus at the party, they were shocked. "Why are you friends with sinners?" they asked. "I have come to help anyone who needs me", said Jesus. "It is easier to help sinners than people who think they are good."
Love
Munch
PS I identify with the prostitue and with Jesus
It was just a quote, but perhaps you missed the point. Is a message from the past, that serves as a warning for our future. It says that we must speak out and act against hate mongering or oppression of any minority, irrespective of whether we share their views or understand their way of life. To fail to do so is fail to be a civilised person. You are seeking to justify your hatred using religion. If you understand your religion at all you must see how wrong this is.Caydr wrote:Weaver, are you calling me a nazi?