What the hell??

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 04 Dec 2007, 05:30

Why is BA being included with the svn installer?

Geez why don't you just alienate the non-TA mods more. Fucking weak.

SinbadEV · Post by **SinbadEV** » 04 Dec 2007, 05:35

I can't speak officially but there is a plan to include the option to install more mods with the next installer and I assume BA is being included to test the new functionality... if all goes according to plan it will give a lot more exposure to non-TA mods.

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 04 Dec 2007, 07:29

Ok thank god.

BA included over CA? I may not like CA's gameplay, but at least it does a good job of showing off effects and stuff.

FLOZi · Post by **FLOZi** » 04 Dec 2007, 09:58

Read the thread.

tombom · Post by **tombom** » 04 Dec 2007, 14:06

Yes post a thread without knowing anything just so you can get outraged about having a popular mod included in an installer

AF · Post by AF » 04 Dec 2007, 18:27

Alochol is popular, does that make it a good idea to put pictures of vodka bottles in childrens school books?

Popularity is not a reliable indicator of quality.

MightySheep · Post by **MightySheep** » 04 Dec 2007, 18:31

omg forboding angel is stupid. if pretty much all the games are played on BA why would you not include it in the installer?

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 04 Dec 2007, 18:41

Maybe because it's illegal content. Maybe because it stifles anything new. Maybe because it's just not a good idea regardless of whether atari would sue or not.

And maybe you should butt out and fark off.

AF · Post by AF » 04 Dec 2007, 18:42

Because BA is not optimal for showcasing the engine, and there's a growing movement of people who do not think it is the best mod but are forced to play BA anyway because of its popularity.

Sleksa · Post by **Sleksa** » 04 Dec 2007, 18:51

AF wrote:Alochol is popular, does that make it a good idea to put pictures of vodka bottles in childrens school books?

Popularity is not a reliable indicator of quality.

so we should put things that kids have no idea what they are into school books

remember kids;
S is for shai hulud
M is for muad'dib
K is for klingons

Because BA is not optimal for showcasing the engine, and there's a growing movement of people who do not think it is the best mod but are forced to play BA anyway because of its popularity.

No its not optimal to showcase the engine. kernel panic and ca and xta etc are the best ones to showcase spring.

But ba is the most played and strudiest mod out there.

Wheter you think of this as a positive or negative thing you cant just dismiss it because its "popular". BA is not stealing anyone's players. If you want more players you will need to do advertising and marketing, i think it shouldnt be hard to outshine ba with new gfx and adding a few dozen new autohosts

What joy will it honestly bring a noob to have downloaded ca mod that will get outdated in roughly 30 mins? or what about e&e which is roughly played once or twice a day

so instead of putting in most played mods we should be putting the least played mods with your philosophy right?

well e&e gets played atleast, so why not include emmanuel's own mod and disregard everything else that gets played atleast once a week?

and there's a growing movement of people who do not think it is the best mod but are forced to play BA anyway because of its popularity.

people said this when the first mod came for ta.

can you give me names of people who are forcing you to play ba?

Sleksa · Post by **Sleksa** » 04 Dec 2007, 18:53

Forboding Angel wrote:Maybe because it's illegal content. Maybe because it stifles anything new. Maybe because it's just not a good idea regardless of whether atari would sue or not.

And maybe you should butt out and fark off.

xta ca etc also use "illegal content", mind you.

And as i said in the previous post ba is not stifling anything new, give me names of people who forced you to play ba this week plx

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 04 Dec 2007, 19:04

Sleksa wrote: so we should put things that kids have no idea what they are into school books

remember kids;
S is for shai hulud
M is for muad'dib
K is for klingons

I would like that, no reason to not raise the learning curve for children.

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 04 Dec 2007, 19:19

Sleksa wrote:
Forboding Angel wrote:Maybe because it's illegal content. Maybe because it stifles anything new. Maybe because it's just not a good idea regardless of whether atari would sue or not.

And maybe you should butt out and fark off.
xta ca etc also use "illegal content", mind you.

And as i said in the previous post ba is not stifling anything new, give me names of people who forced you to play ba this week plx

You know damn well what I meant, stop trying to act stupid. I'm getting quite tired of the bull that goes on around here.

AF · Post by AF » 04 Dec 2007, 19:20

That fails because new users haven't a clue what BA is either.

Popularity is not a measure of sturdyness balance or overall quality. BAs popularity is self sustaining regardless of whatever flaws BA has. And we all know the primary reason behinds BAs rise to fame is not because BA was good but because AA had a bug that wasn't fixed.

Basically what we have here is the following situation:

In the dieing days of humanity, all 6 billion people (5 billion killed by nuclear war) attempt to create ZA, the ultimate spring mod. Sadly despite ZA being the ultimate pinnacle fo perfection, the vastly inferior BA dominates the lobby, and the reason it dominates the lobby is because it dominates the lobby, a self perpetuating cycle. And it does this despite ZAs ability to warp space and time, cure all diseases, and even release litres of serotonin into ones brain every second.

As a result the human economy was squashed as the investment in ZA floundered due to fanbois and BA dominance. The world ended and the wikimedia foundation invaded the moon sending it on a space 1999 style adventure across the milky way.

You sleksa are preventing progress. We are not saying BA needs to be removed entirely, just that its term as primary mod ended long ago and the changeover is long overdue.

You're also perpetuating a taboo that has caused immense damage to spring over the last 2 years and continues to cause damage to spring. It is a huge contributor to the retainment problem that spawned our mass advertisement plan.

Sleksa · Post by **Sleksa** » 04 Dec 2007, 19:39

And we all know the primary reason behinds BAs rise to fame is not because BA was good but because AA had a bug that wasn't fixed.

Ba IS continuation of AA, hence why its called balanced annihilation instead of cow annihilation or something like that. the only goal for ba is to offer people the kind of gameplay of aa as warc knew it

Popularity is not a measure of sturdyness balance or overall quality. BAs popularity is self sustaining regardless of whatever flaws BA has.

so get on and advertise your own groundbreaking *A mods, ca devs are doing constant advertising and their games are getting more and more frequent.

You sleksa are preventing progress. We are not saying BA needs to be removed entirely, just that its term as primary mod ended long ago and the changeover is long overdue.

You can only blame yourself from the changeover being overdue.

Its like you are blaming a rival supermarket for taking all your customers, and the only response you can muster is to try and create a ban over anything related to the supermarket because you think it is inferior to other supermarkets, instead of developing and advertising your own

That fails because new users haven't a clue what BA is either.

Look at the gamelist, you will see 85% BA, 10% CA and 5% other mods, excluding BA would be one of the most retarded things to do currently as it composes over a half of the players.

After its something like 70% ca 25% other mods and 5% ba ( cows lolz) , you could start thinking about removing it

Sleksa · Post by **Sleksa** » 04 Dec 2007, 19:43

also;

In the dieing days of humanity, all 6 billion people (5 billion killed by nuclear war) attempt to create ZA, the ultimate spring mod. Sadly despite ZA being the ultimate pinnacle fo perfection, the vastly inferior BA dominates the lobby

could you give some good valid examples why ba is vastly inferior as i fail to see these glaring errors myself

tombom · Post by **tombom** » 04 Dec 2007, 19:44

First, this thread is silly because when Forboding Angel made it he either didn't read the mods in installer thread or misunderstood it. BA isn't being included to the exclusion of anything else, and suggesting that making it a choice of mod to download is somehow alienating other mods is ridiculous.

The stupid, unconstructive "BA sucks" threads aren't worth having again, seen as nobody seems to want to change their mind. I will point out that AF's analogy is completely ridiculous as there are no other mods which are 100% objectively better.

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 04 Dec 2007, 19:55

DRAMA DRAMA

You guys are as bad as /cgl/

Tobi · Post by **Tobi** » 04 Dec 2007, 20:01

nothing to see here move along

Spring RTS Engine

What the hell??

What the hell??