Legal action to take vs. illegals...

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 23 Oct 2007, 06:01

(((warning! stupid drunk answer)))

when the mexican, latin, puetrocian, austrain, whatever the fuck idiot comes up and wants a visa to come into the us, or applies to be a citizen, ok, let him come take the test. If he/she/it fails the test, shoot on sight, shovel in truck, drive home...

end of problem.

no id, shoot on sight.

run, shoot, and ask questions later.

nazi for the win.

it would work, stupid as it is.

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 23 Oct 2007, 07:18

Killing people is the worst workable solution to every problem. If that was was the method the US took to solve the problem I'd seriously consider seeking out my local Alquiada recruiter.

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 23 Oct 2007, 07:24

that just means you have to shoot the idiots, and dis-believers too... maybe that includes religion that differes from the US?

(notice my scarcasim yet?)

arogant arguments need to be smacked... all this relation to PAST history arguments...

this ain't the past, this is today, and they are fucking INVADING TODAY!...

just so you know, I hate them.

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 23 Oct 2007, 08:30

The New Colossus
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me;
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

-Emma Lazarus, 1883

It seems that we've forgotten one of our founding principles - that we are a nation of immigrants; a melting pot of cultures from all the world; that we welcome those who want to make a better life for themselves in the greatest nation of the world; that our doors are always open to those homeless, tempest-tost, huddled masses, regardless of race or ethnicity or national origin, and that we make these people part of our own race, our own ethnicity, our own nation, America.

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 23 Oct 2007, 08:39

Double post, because this one is miles beneath the intellectual level of my last one.

Lathan, you show great disrespect for the intelligence of those here by claiming that you are not a racist, despite repeatedly demonstrating that you hate the damn brownskin Joses.

Need I link to the earlier thread where you said you wanted to run people over with your truck, based only on the color of their skin? How about the land mines?

A hundred years ago, people like you marched around in pointy white hoodies, burned crosses, and lynched niggers. Now you march around in shiny black Humvees, listen to Rush Limbaugh, and shoot you some Joses and Pablos.

NB. I'm not saying that being against immigration equals racism, nor does racism equal being against immigration. The two are somewhat independent (though it is my personal opinion that there are deep undercurrents of racism in the anti-immigration group). Lathan just happens to be immigration and a fucking racist. I wouldn't say that anyone else in this thread is racist (though Forb comes close sometimes).

cong06 · Post by **cong06** » 23 Oct 2007, 08:39

LathanStanley wrote:arogant arguments need to be smacked... all this relation to PAST history arguments...

this ain't the past, this is today, and they are fucking INVADING TODAY!...

Felix the Cat wrote:It seems that we've forgotten one of our founding principles - that we are a nation of immigrants; a melting pot of cultures from all the world; that we welcome those who want to make a better life for themselves in the greatest nation of the world; that our doors are always open to those homeless, tempest-tost, huddled masses, regardless of race or ethnicity or national origin, and that we make these people part of our own race, our own ethnicity, our own nation, America.

Well, I guess people like LathanStanley said...he doesn't care about the past. No care for history...(something about learning from our mistakes so we don't make them again)

I'm also trying to figure out who's invading who...
I assume he's talking about 9/11 being the "Invasion." In this case I fail to see how the United states is really even responding in anyway that is preventing more suicide bombings other then increasing security. All they've done over in the middle east is stir up tensions between America and basically the rest of the Middle east...

Sleksa · Post by **Sleksa** » 23 Oct 2007, 09:31

sleksa do you have an album bu adam freeland by any chance? its called now and then, there are some top notch tunes on it and one 0f them (we want your soul) has an extract from what you just quoted Surprised

"Shut up! Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control. Here's American Gladiators. Heres 56 channels of it. Watch these (something) wearing retards bang their fucking skulls together!" and a bit more but i cba to type more ^^

yes i do <3

hunterw · Post by **hunterw** » 23 Oct 2007, 10:47

usa is going down the shitter with no end in sight. i think its gonna get a lot worse before it gets better.

make as much money as you can here and move away ftw.

hunterw · Post by **hunterw** » 23 Oct 2007, 10:49

Felix the Cat wrote:
It seems that we've forgotten one of our founding principles - that we are a nation of immigrants; a melting pot of cultures from all the world; that we welcome those who want to make a better life for themselves in the greatest nation of the world; that our doors are always open to those homeless, tempest-tost, huddled masses, regardless of race or ethnicity or national origin, and that we make these people part of our own race, our own ethnicity, our own nation, America.

our founding principals were "man fuck europe all the rich people are just ruling us, lets sail to this new continent and pwn the shit out of all the noobs there, thyey dont even have guns lololol"

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 23 Oct 2007, 11:00

hunterw wrote:
Felix the Cat wrote:
It seems that we've forgotten one of our founding principles - that we are a nation of immigrants; a melting pot of cultures from all the world; that we welcome those who want to make a better life for themselves in the greatest nation of the world; that our doors are always open to those homeless, tempest-tost, huddled masses, regardless of race or ethnicity or national origin, and that we make these people part of our own race, our own ethnicity, our own nation, America.
our founding principals were "man fuck europe all the rich people are just ruling us, lets sail to this new continent and pwn the shit out of all the noobs there, thyey dont even have guns lololol"

Colossal failure to comprehend history.

That was the early to mid 1600s.

I'm talking about the early to mid 1800s.

Simple mafs tells us that that's a 200 year difference.

edit.

LathanStanley wrote:austrain

Hit the problem on the nose. It's those illegal immigrants from Austria that we really need to be concerned about...

KingRaptor · Post by **KingRaptor** » 23 Oct 2007, 11:32

Legal action to take vs. illegals:

Prosecute employers of illegals. No fence, no shooting, no landmines, not even change of existing laws needed.

Sleksa wrote:actually stalin pretty much killed anyone who tried to get into soviet union, legally or illegally

wut

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 23 Oct 2007, 11:57

He legally executed everyone he felt like, than he went and hired assassins to do the rest of them.

Sleksa · Post by **Sleksa** » 23 Oct 2007, 12:19

There was a case where about 5000 finns decided to move into soviet union in around 1920's or 30's

they took everything they had and went there, stalin welcomed them with open arms, then proceeded to execute them all and confiscate the posessions

<3

Prosecute employers of illegals. No fence, no shooting, no landmines, not even change of existing laws needed.

+1

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 23 Oct 2007, 12:22

Legal action to take re: illegals:

LEGALIZE ALL IMMIGRATION

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 23 Oct 2007, 12:40

Felix the Cat wrote:Legal action to take re: illegals:

LEGALIZE ALL IMMIGRATION

It doesn't really solve the problem of immigrant crime though. Even if you make immigration easy it's advantageous to not legally immigrate if you plan on committing illegal offenses since the country is forced to extradite you rather than being able to just punish you as a citizen.

I think it's certainly a more human approach... however, I would wager that Mexican political pressure is a huge factor in the current anti Mexican immigration policies. It's not really good for Mexico if most of their people leave for the states.

Felix the Cat · Post by **Felix the Cat** » 23 Oct 2007, 13:07

SwiftSpear wrote:
Felix the Cat wrote:Legal action to take re: illegals:

LEGALIZE ALL IMMIGRATION
It doesn't really solve the problem of immigrant crime though. Even if you make immigration easy it's advantageous to not legally immigrate if you plan on committing illegal offenses since the country is forced to extradite you rather than being able to just punish you as a citizen.

I definitely believe that all people residing in the US should be entirely subject to US laws. In fact, this is already the case, at least in the US... someone here is subject to our laws, regardless of the laws in their home country. I don't know of any country where that isn't the case. By the same token, Americans abroad are not subject to many US laws while abroad, which is why we can legally go to Amsterdam and smoke weed. Big exception here is tax law.

Regardless, I wouldn't classify crimes committed by immigrants any differently from crimes committed by native-born residents. No need for a double standard of any kind here, no matter who it favors.

I think it's certainly a more human approach... however, I would wager that Mexican political pressure is a huge factor in the current anti Mexican immigration policies. It's not really good for Mexico if most of their people leave for the states.

Wrong, actually. The Mexican government (as well as governments of many poor Latin American states) actually encourages people to migrate to the US, going so far as providing maps and the like. Why? Foreign remittances, primarily from workers in the US, are one of the biggest sources of income for the country. At least one country has taken this to an extreme - the Philippines have the largest workforce abroad of any country, and there is an entire ministry dedicated to supporting Filipino workers abroad.

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 23 Oct 2007, 13:38

when I go out of country felix, I respect the laws of my country and their country to the best of my ability. It is just polite. If killing or raping was LEGAL here I wouldn't be worried about it. If causing physical harm to another was legal here I would not worry about it.

Let's be honest here, I am not in the unskilled labor job force, neither is panda. We do not really get effected by lol they are takin' our jobs. What my concern is, and I will say this again is the fact that it makes an area unsafe to raise children.

SwiftSpear · Post by **SwiftSpear** » 23 Oct 2007, 14:26

It's not that you classify crimes committed differently... it's just that you don't really have the authority to try and imprison people from another country without their home nation's consent. How do you generate a jury of their peers for one thing?

For example, if you go to the middle east and steal something there, the punishment for that crime is to have your hand cut off... however, the American government isn't going to allow it's citizens to suffer that crime, so they will extradite you back to the US and convict you, or maby not even convict you, there.

Law enforcement over boarders is a complicated issue. If you have a citizen who has legally taken residence in the US, you can enforce US law on them as one of the terms of their residency if you so please, but if no identity papers are filed or residency/citizenship status are claimed... a country doesn't have the same rights of legal enforcement as it does without. Not to say that legal matters are never addressed, but suffice to say it's significantly more complicated.

Smoth... I don't really think the Mexican ghetto is really any more dangerous than any other ghetto anywhere else. Illegals certainly aren't the only criminals in the US... TBH the population of illegals who are threatening vs the population of illegals who are not threatening is probably lower than the equivalent figures for the population of legal Americans in the bottom 10% income brackets.

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 23 Oct 2007, 14:32

what worries me is illegals in the more rural areas, in the inner city is obviously going to be bad but again, not somewhere I have to live so I am not concerned with it. I worry about suburbia or the more rural areas. Personally I liked Nevada and Arizona but was worried that living in a more rural border town may be dangerous.

Unless I find it to be uninteresting most people that know me tell me Seattle is where I would really click with people. So I wouldn't have to worry about that there but I still have friends and family here and I do worry about their safety. I have seen it when auto accidents happen or when they have vehicles way overloaded on the interstate and since they have relative immunity people's lives are in danger and I wouldn't trade 1 of my friends for 40 of them.

LathanStanley · Post by **LathanStanley** » 23 Oct 2007, 16:35

I've had many friends "improsioned" in Mexico for stupid crimes, and mexico will charge them outrageous fees to leave the country, or they have to serve their sentance there, under THEIR jurisdiction.

if we do that here, its only fair. but nooooo tree huggers from the fuckin north are like "bla bla bla we are supposed to have open arms, land of the free, bla bla bla" and want us to just put em on a bus, send em across, and wait 12 hours so they can come back, steal and do it again...

seriously, imprisioning the sons of bitches will fix things.

edit: that or just start caning them...

we do too much for free anymore.

I know we are supposed to be nice, and to the rest of you guys, read my goddamn posts before you quote some one liner out of it and twist what I say, it pisses me off.

Spring RTS Engine

Legal action to take vs. illegals...