New map Zeus5 Craters and Hills

cronos · Post by **cronos** » 14 Oct 2007, 22:34

This map is mostly designed for FFA and Team battles with up to 8 players

It is rendered In Carrara 6 Pro a 8192x8192 texture resolution and a 16bit high map.

http://www.unknown-files.net/3626/Zeus5 ... and_Hills/

Fixed Link, added minimap. NOiZE

REVENGE · Post by **REVENGE** » 15 Oct 2007, 00:52

Who are you????

DZHIBRISH · Post by **DZHIBRISH** » 15 Oct 2007, 02:01

the minimap is nice looking besides that i have to say its kinda unplayable.. you cant understand when the ground gets higher and when it gets lower
holes look like hills hills like holes..a mess and it hurts the eyes ..

Neddie · Post by **Neddie** » 15 Oct 2007, 02:22

He's a madman!

Saktoth · Post by **Saktoth** » 15 Oct 2007, 03:00

The file size on this seems a little large- there is no way it should be 28 mb, is there? (Edit: Okay, its a pretty large map actually).

Anyway, the metal per spot is 3.9, and there are a lot of metal spots. Combined with 5-25 wind, this will make the map virtually unplayable due to economic issues.

Tone the metal down to 1.5-2 per spot, and the wind to 1-20 or less.

I personally didnt have that much of a problem with the height map after i realised yellow was low and green was high, but i understand that complaint also.

ralphie · Post by **ralphie** » 15 Oct 2007, 03:09

DZHIBRISH wrote:tyou cant understand when the ground gets higher and when it gets lower

This was going to be my general reply. You basically have to press f2 to figure out which slopes a vehile can or can't get up - the texture needs to more acurately reflect the heightmap.

rcdraco · Post by **rcdraco** » 15 Oct 2007, 03:56

Here's a little help for people who can't figure it out:

Envy · Post by **Envy** » 15 Oct 2007, 05:33

The reason it is hard to distinguish between hills and holes is due to the lighting is backwards.

In a gradient, or top down view for that matter, darker on top and light on bottom generally gives an Inset illusion. On the other hand, darker on the bottom and brighter on the top makes something flat appear to come towards you.

Look at the gradients on this board for example. The top blue one appears to be inset, as the human eye is generally used to the light source to be from above.

If he were to flip the texture map and the height map vertically, it would look just fine to the human eye, and up from down would be easily distinguishable.

Heres how it would look if he flipped.

Saktoth · Post by **Saktoth** » 15 Oct 2007, 07:18

Envy wrote:The reason it is hard to distinguish between hills and holes is due to the lighting is backwards.

No its not. The light -is- coming from the top. Yellow bits? CRATERS. Not hills.

Pressure Line · Post by **Pressure Line** » 15 Oct 2007, 08:39

DZHIBRISH wrote:the minimap is nice looking besides that i have to say its kinda unplayable.. you cant understand when the ground gets higher and when it gets lower
holes look like hills hills like holes..a mess and it hurts the eyes ..

i dunno about you, but i dont play on a fullscreen minimap... so the minimap looking a bit odd ISNT THAT BIG A DEAL!

if you are playing on a map and cant tell the difference between a hill and a crater... perhaps you might consider getting some new glasses, or one of those awesome montior/graphics card combos that i hear they have now, that can do better than 640x480

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 15 Oct 2007, 09:24

red, yellow and orange are forground colors

green is closer to blue which is a background color. thus having yellow holes will result in them being read as higher.

gb2 color theory.

Yeah it will read inverted.

imbaczek · Post by **imbaczek** » 15 Oct 2007, 10:26

judging from the screenshot I thought those were hills. IMO this needs a fix.

hunterw · Post by **hunterw** » 15 Oct 2007, 11:17

imbaczek wrote:judging from the screenshot I thought those were hills. IMO this needs a fix.

you never see an isometric view of a landscape in game, you see it in 3d with parallax so its no prob

Saktoth · Post by **Saktoth** » 15 Oct 2007, 11:17

smoth wrote:red, yellow and orange are forground colors

green is closer to blue which is a background color. thus having yellow holes will result in them being read as higher.

gb2 color theory.

Yeah it will read inverted.

Nice one smoth, hit the nail on the head!

DZHIBRISH · Post by **DZHIBRISH** » 15 Oct 2007, 11:30

well i play on 12zz x 10zz and i said the minimap looks nice and the map looks nice but it is confusing as some others have mentioned as well so instead of me going to buy glasses maybe you should relax and start making some sense.

Pressure Line · Post by **Pressure Line** » 15 Oct 2007, 12:31

brilliant map. i love it. im still not sure what all this malarkey about the minimap is all about. i seem to be quite able to see where teh highs and lows on the map are.

smoth · Post by **smoth** » 15 Oct 2007, 12:53

look at the lower half of your shot. That looks like yellow hills to me. In the angle I play at and in TA camera it messes with your depth perception.

BTW cronos, that doesn't mean this map isn't nice or that we do not appreciate your effort, just that we are all a bit tripped out about the texture as it plays with our eyes.

Forboding Angel · Post by **Forboding Angel** » 15 Oct 2007, 16:25

The way you fix this stuff is to bake on shading, not really any other way to do it cleanly...

open tex, new layer, paste in heightmap, set blending options to overlay. Will definately help, but I doubt it will fix everything.

imbaczek · Post by **imbaczek** » 15 Oct 2007, 18:55

smoth wrote:BTW cronos, that doesn't mean this map isn't nice or that we do not appreciate your effort, just that we are all a bit tripped out about the texture as it plays with our eyes.

Truth.

I like the idea and the layout, it's just messing with my perception.

cronos · Post by **cronos** » 15 Oct 2007, 20:58

This is the corresponding height map

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